I saw the election here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_electoral_calendar_2013The Italian Wikipedia was the first in the list of those that already support phase 2 Wikidata functionality, so I changed the Italian article about Venezuela: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela"Presidente: Nicolas Maduro" is now being pulled from Wikidata.
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 08:46:41 +0200 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties > > Le 2013-04-09 20:44, Michael Hale a écrit : > > Venezuela is electing a new president in about a week. I went ahead > > and switched the Italian article to use the Wikidata property so we > > might be able to capture a good example there. > > Could you please provide the relevant URL? > > thank you :) > > > > >> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:24:49 +0200 > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties > >> > >> Le 2013-04-08 15:54, Luca Martinelli a écrit : > >> > 2013/4/8 Mathieu Stumpf <[email protected]>: > >> >> Le 2013-04-08 15:02, Luca Martinelli a écrit : > >> >> > >> >>> What I tried to say is: we don't mind if we go back in a page > >> >>> history > >> >>> and find a red link to a template, nobody cares, because we all > >> >>> know > >> >>> that a template has been deleted/substituted *for a reason* - > >> that > >> >>> we > >> >>> even discussed for a VERY long time. What we DO care is that the > >> >>> article has *right now* the correct data - and this will be > >> easier > >> >>> with Wikidata. I wouldn't have been its main sponsor in it.wp, > >> if > >> >>> it > >> >>> wasn't for this. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> When I look in the history, I want to see the data which where > >> used > >> >> then : > >> >> there are the correct data of this history context. The "current" > >> >> page may > >> >> be automaticaly edited to match the current wikidata entries it > >> >> refers to, > >> >> but this changes should appears in the history, just like it's > >> done > >> >> with > >> >> bots. > >> >> > >> >> So, no, I don't care that the last revision of an article uses > >> the > >> >> "correct > >> >> data", because "correct data" is an ambiguous term. What I hope > >> to > >> >> see, is > >> >> that the last revision article uses the last revision of the > >> >> wikidata > >> >> entries it needs; or at least the value it had the last time that > >> a > >> >> commit > >> >> was made to update this value. And when I look in the history, I > >> >> want to see > >> >> the value that the article used to use then. Otherwise it would > >> be > >> >> history > >> >> counterfeiting. > >> > > >> > Ok, I give up. Ask the devs to solve this problem, open a bug > >> about > >> > it, whatever. > >> > >> > >> Sorry, I didn't want to upset anyone. > >> > >> > For the records I *do not* see as a problem as of now, since IMVHO > >> > we've got other priorities to deal with - first of all: filling > >> the > >> > items with statements, and possibly completing the statements with > >> > sources, in order to make the data on Wikidata usable on > >> Wikipedia. > >> > >> Ok, do you mean making a bug report on > >> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ > >> ? > >> If so I would welcome any advise to make a bug report as relevant as > >> possible. > >> To my mind it would be realy like put the cart before the horse if > >> we > >> began to feed articles with wikidata before we have a proper history > >> management. I understand the willing to be able to use this bright > >> new > >> tool. I **do** share your exitement here. But if you take a step > >> backward, there's no urge to go into a situation possibly harmful > >> for > >> the credibility of our "will to be reliable through transparency". > >> > >> So, before I make a bug report, can anyone confirm me that as it is > >> today, wikidata invokation in previous revision of a page will fail > >> to > >> provide the relevant data, that is, the data which was returned at > >> the > >> time the revision was in use. More generaly, could developers/admins > >> confirm me that data update would not appear in the article history. > >> Because it seems to me that I saw such entries with the interlang > >> migration, so until now I supposed that any change in wikidata would > >> rise a new revision with a commit message in each article using this > >> data. > >> > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> mathieu > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikidata-l mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikidata-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > -- > Association Culture-Libre > http://www.culture-libre.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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