Hoi,
When you look at the current use of labels, they are used to identify
items. When a statement is used on an item, it uses a combination of a
property and another item. What we notice is that several not so smart
choices have been made in the past that make the current use of labels
problematic. I remind you of the discussion of calling an item a list when
it is used an a single instance.
The notion that labels on statements are not used flies in the face of it
being applied in Reasonator for instance.
Forget about what a structured Wiktionary will do in abstraction, it is not
where we are. We are at a point where we have labels and no clue (in a
Wikidata context) if and what practical benefits embedding Wiktionary will
bring. It is really nice to point to "Lemon" and say that it is a standard.
But as far as I am concerned it is a lemon [1] when there is no translation
in how the information can be leveraged.
I can appreciate that we have simple labels at this time. It will not stay
that way. The alternative is that including Wiktionary in Wikidata will
truly become a lemon [1]. I will do what I can to help prevent that, my
ambition is that Wikidata will truly replace Omegawiki.
Thanks,
GerardM
[1] A defective <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/defective> or
inadequate<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/inadequate>item.
On 10 March 2014 14:03, David Cuenca <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> There is little point to integrating Wiktionary and the current proposal
>> if it is unclear how that information is going to be used. The proposal for
>> all its fancy words misses the point completely and you point it out really
>> well: it is unclear how lexemes will interact in the UI and in search.
>>
>>
> Lexemes UI/search is not clear, but it can be clarified when needed. I
> don't think now it is the time, maybe after getting some experience with
> queries.
>
>
>
>> The current labels will one on one coincide with lexemes. I think we can
>> agree on this.
>>
>
> Not always, not for all the languages, and not necessarily. A structured
> Wiktionary should be the interface to written (and hopefully spoken) human
> language. Q-item labels are for humans to have some clue what the concept
> is about, but the textual expression is a different topic.
>
> Thanks,
> Micru
>
>
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