AIUI, currently, Wikidata can add: * language-specific labels (ie alternative names) * language-independent properties (strings or relationships)
Properties can have modifiers such as date, labels can't. So there's a bit of a challenge here - we would be able to construct a field that says "historic name : Warschau (date:1939-45)", but this would be shown as a historic name in Polish, German, English, Chinese... Andrew. On 20 March 2014 06:58, Susanna Ånäs <susanna.a...@gmail.com> wrote: > There is interaction between Wikidata, the OHM, the historians working with > gazetteers, LOD researchers and Jochen Topf & Tim Alder's work. The Wikimaps > project is trying to stay abreast of the development to build on that. > > I think also that Wikidata will lead the way and will offer a crowdsourced > platform for place names across times. The open questions would be related > to the choice of labels when displaying, while Wikidata itself would be able > to store many different names, languages and alternatives. > > Discussion is needed for the modelling, eg. if a place is one entity with > changing properties or if a place is a linked continuum of separate places. > What properties to store, how to link? How can the data be linked to say OSM > DB entities? Do the notability guidelines of Wikimedia allow storing only > important places? > > So, in short, the most natural site for discussion is the wikidata-l list > (now cc:d) > > Best, > Susanna Ånäs > wikimaps.wikimedia.fi > > > 2014-03-19 22:59 GMT+02:00 Laurence Penney <l...@lorp.org>: > >> It's great to have such things mapped, but it does need care. >> >> In this field Jochen Topf coded "Multilingual Map Test" together back in >> 2012. You might ask him to add Finnish to the languages offered. >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-November/065312.html >> >> Here's part of Poland, shown with German labels: >> >> >> http://mlm.jochentopf.com/?zoom=7&lat=52.57802&lon=19.11621&layers=B0T&lang=de >> >> While the larger cities have well-known and current German names that are >> uncontroversial -- Warschau, Posen, Breslau, etc. -- many small towns and >> villages would only have been given German names during the Third Reich. >> >> It is therefore contentious to use the "name:de" tag for these places, >> unless one is making a map of occupied Poland during WW2. The naming was a >> political act, and most of the names were not used by Germans, even those >> living in the vicinity, before 1939 or after 1945. Taking politics out of >> it, perhaps one could use the date to indicate when the name was in use, >> thus a key of "name:de(1939-1945)". >> >> It would be good to speak to historians who specialize in this area. >> >> - L >> >> On 19 Mar 2014, at 20:37, Chris Helenius <chris.helen...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> How are historical place names from annexed countries regarded? Or put in >> another way; when does a name no longer exist? >> >> In the case on Finland, which lost Karelia to Russia in the 1950s, >> hundreds of place names were translated and are now officially Russian, with >> the Finnish population gone. >> Former place names could nevertheless be of historical value (e.g. to see >> the geographical extent of the language), as physical historical features >> are. >> >> The question is, does a name disappear when it is no longer used? Larger >> cities are still called by their Finnish names in a Finnish context, so >> would towns and villages be any different? Or when they are deserted? >> >> There is also the unignorable issue of geopolitics, as there are still >> tensions between the countries. >> There is no shortage of geographical naming disputes >> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Geographical_naming_disputes), >> and wikipedians themselves had a row over geographical names. >> (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/02/05/China_Japan_Wikipedia_War_Senkaku_Diaoyu?page=full) >> I can imagine how the naming could be seen having a political agenda. >> >> For what it's worth, my agenda is only historical, although I can't shrug >> off my national bias. >> Before I go and add name:fi= place-names, I'd like to hear what the >> community thinks of this. >> >> Chris Helenius >> _______________________________________________ >> Historic mailing list >> histo...@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Historic mailing list >> histo...@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic >> > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > t...@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
