If we have multilingual string datatypes coming, I take it back. Hurrah! :-) (I hadn't realised that was on the roadmap).
Andrew. On 20 March 2014 18:19, David Cuenca <dacu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, that is one part of the problem, which could be addressed in Wikidata > with a property "official name" with the datatype mono- or multi-lingual > string (planned, but not available yet) plus the qualifiers start/end date. > The other part of the problem is that for different periods of time you have > different entities attached to geographic locations. > > For instance after the "Kingdom of Great Britain" > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q161885 > > Came the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland" > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q174193 > > Yes, the name changed, but it it not just a name change, it is a different > entity. > > Cheers, > Micru > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Andrew Gray <andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk> > wrote: >> >> I think the problem is that we sometimes need to reflect more than just >> the single official name - at the moment we include multilingual names, >> which is great, and it's a bit of a backwards step to lose that ability for >> the past. Imagine if you're looking at an English or German map of Russia - >> all the names rendered with nice Latin-script equivalents - and you say >> "okay, show me a 1970s map", only for everything to become Cyrillic instead. >> :-) >> >> It becomes more complicated if you have cases where the name changes in >> some languages and not others, or countries with multiple official languages >> where it changes in both. >> >> For example, we'd want to be able to record that in English the city of >> Tsaritsyn became Stalingrad on a certain date, and then later became >> Volgograd, just as we record that in Russian it went from Царицын to >> Сталинград to Волгоград. >> >> However, as you can see at the moment, the "other names" are simple >> strings with no dates or modifiers, so we can't convey this information. >> (Switching the interface to a different language will display the >> alternative names in those languages) >> >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q914 >> >> Susanna: I'm not aware of what the plans are for this, but I'm reasonably >> sure we can't do it right now. However, I'm not completely up to speed on >> how dates/modifiers etc work, so someone on wikidata-l can no doubt correct >> me :-) >> >> Andrew. >> >> On 20 March 2014 13:24, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> >> Am 20/mar/2014 um 13:51 schrieb Andrew Gray >> >> <andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk>: >> >> >> >> Properties can have modifiers such as date, labels can't. So there's a >> >> bit of a challenge here - we would be able to construct a field that >> >> says "historic name : Warschau (date:1939-45)", but this would be >> >> shown as a historic name in Polish, German, English, Chinese... >> > >> > >> > maybe that's not a problem as this was indeed the official name in that >> > time? >> > >> > cheers, >> > Martin >> >> -- >> - Andrew Gray >> andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> > > > > -- > Etiamsi omnes, ego non > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
