Hello everyone, Sure: Reasonator is a great example, but converting the whole code is taking more time then making new stuff. You just can't intergrate it.
Greetings, Sjoerd de Bruin [email protected] > Op 30 dec. 2014, om 16:31 heeft Thomas Douillard <[email protected]> > het volgende geschreven: > > At this step queries are planned > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Development_plan > <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Development_plan> I guess placeholder > articles are lower in Lydia's list, this seems only a preliminar steps. > > So it's not stupid to assume they will be ready. > > > > I read your blog a long time, including your posts about reasonator. I'm on > this project for as long as you, I hope you know that. I just don't see your > point, nor a clear answer. And I don't want to guess. > > 2014-12-30 15:59 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>: > Hoi, > Until Wikidata provides query functionality, any arguments about it are > without much merit. Until that time WDQ provides functionality. That > functionality can be implemented in new functionality when it arrives. > > As to the question if I know Reasonator ... Read my blog ... [1] > Thanks, > GerardM > > [1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com <http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/> > > On 30 December 2014 at 14:08, Thomas Douillard <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Do you speak for the community ?? > > Nope, I speak for myself. Nether told anything else. > > > Do you really know what Reasonator is about ? > > I don't really appreciate the tone, I think reasonator is really cool and I'm > probably one of the people who pushed its use the most in Wikidata. Do you > have a useful answer to your own question ? > > One point is that Reasonator uses Wikidata query, who, last time I checked, > was not planned to be integrated into Wikibase. Wikibase will have its own > query engine. It would be a giant software architecture mess if the core > mediawiki/wikibase depends on external query engine. > > > 2014-12-30 13:48 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>: > Hoi, > One of the requisites as mentioned on the page by Lydia is that it is usable > on any and all projects. Relying on local only technoloy like templates do > not make sense. > > Reasonator DOES provide functionality that is similar to what can be achieved > with templating. When a person has relatives, for instance it will show. When > something is in a particular location, it will show the hierarchy. when there > is a geo coordinate, it shows a map, > > Now citing "political reasons" begs the question since when our community > decides NOT to implement things that are so manifestly in line what our > mission. > > When you consider in build queries... That is what Reasonator offers for a > long long time. > > Do you really know what Reasonator is about ? Do you speak for the community > ?? > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 30 December 2014 at 13:30, Thomas Douillard <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hi Gerard, I like Reasonator a lot, but there is several advantages to an > integrated solution : > * We can reuse technologies of the mediawiki ecosystem, like for example a > very important one : templates, that are already used an that a lot of > wikimedians knows. It can be used to build template articles. I don't know if > reasonator atm had a lot of contributions. It needs a github or something > account and Javascript knowledge. > * community is reluctant to use not in wiki tools for such needs, it's > politically hard to push Reasonator integration into Wikidata fundamental > templates, I can tell. > * A solution based on prebuilt queries to select the appropriate template > seems not so hard to implement only with Wikibase concepts, and deeply > integrated to the mediawiki ecosystem, integrate Reasonator will probably > eventually not result into such result. > > And yes, Reasonator is usable right now. So it's cool that this feature is > not implemented right now :) And reasonator can follow its own path. > > > 2014-12-30 12:28 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>: > Hoi, > You also forget that it HAS been in use on several Wikipedias in the past. So > when that was no problem why is it a problem that can not be overcome now and > for now? > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 30 December 2014 at 12:15, Gerard Meijssen <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hoi, > They are mostly excuses. The software has been in use for a LONG time. It is > known for its relevance for the same long time.. So the value of this need is > diminished by the lack of attention in the past. > > The point is that these excuses are very much in the way of us achieving our > goal.. sharing in the sum of all knowledge. The knowledge in Wikidata is > available knowledge to us so we do not have a valid excuse. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 30 December 2014 at 11:38, Michał Łazowik <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hi, > > > Wiadomość napisana przez Gerard Meijssen <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> w dniu 30 gru 2014, o godz. 10:24: > > > > Reasonator works now. > > Yes, but the thing is that putting anything on production is not just > including it there. > The whole code needs to be reviewed and there are some limitations, especially > with 3rd party libraries. Bootstrap is a no-go. There are code conventions, > performance > and compatibility issues (mediawiki has to support IE 8) and > internationalisation. And > tests. > > Maybe some of these things are already there, but still the review would have > to be > done. > > Michał > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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