Yeah, you're right, I'm pretty sure Lydia has something to hide ... It must be a smokescreen.
Ot maybe it's throwing a bone to Gerard such that Gerard has a bone to grumble to ;) Seriously, I'd also like queries to be ready, but I'm pretty sure Lydia and the devteam are doing their best. No reason to be unpleasant. 2015-01-01 20:09 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > Hoi, > What is your point ? Converting code ... it is about functionality. > Functionality can be re-implemented. While we are waiting for that, we do > not have to wait. Why should we ? What is achieved in that way ?? > > We certainly do not need to be in denial that query was announced more > than a year ago and there is no point in guessing when it will work as > well as WDQ. When it will come close. > Thanks, > Gerard > > On 1 January 2015 at 18:43, Sjoerd de Bruin <sjoerddebr...@me.com> wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> Sure: Reasonator is a great example, but converting the whole code is >> taking more time then making new stuff. You just can't intergrate it. >> >> Greetings, >> >> Sjoerd de Bruin >> sjoerddebr...@me.com >> >> Op 30 dec. 2014, om 16:31 heeft Thomas Douillard < >> thomas.douill...@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven: >> >> At this step queries are planned >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Development_plan I guess >> placeholder articles are lower in Lydia's list, this seems only a >> preliminar steps. >> >> So it's not stupid to assume they will be ready. >> >> >> >> I read your blog a long time, including your posts about reasonator. I'm >> on this project for as long as you, I hope you know that. I just don't see >> your point, nor a clear answer. And I don't want to guess. >> >> 2014-12-30 15:59 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: >> >>> Hoi, >>> Until Wikidata provides query functionality, any arguments about it are >>> without much merit. Until that time WDQ provides functionality. That >>> functionality can be implemented in new functionality when it arrives. >>> >>> As to the question if I know Reasonator ... Read my blog ... [1] >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> [1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com >>> >>> On 30 December 2014 at 14:08, Thomas Douillard < >>> thomas.douill...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> > Do you speak for the community ?? >>>> >>>> Nope, I speak for myself. Nether told anything else. >>>> >>>> > Do you really know what Reasonator is about ? >>>> >>>> I don't really appreciate the tone, I think reasonator is really cool >>>> and I'm probably one of the people who pushed its use the most in Wikidata. >>>> Do you have a useful answer to your own question ? >>>> >>>> One point is that Reasonator uses Wikidata query, who, last time I >>>> checked, was not planned to be integrated into Wikibase. Wikibase will have >>>> its own query engine. It would be a giant software architecture mess if the >>>> core mediawiki/wikibase depends on external query engine. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-12-30 13:48 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> One of the requisites as mentioned on the page by Lydia is that it is >>>>> usable on any and all projects. Relying on local only technoloy like >>>>> templates do not make sense. >>>>> >>>>> Reasonator DOES provide functionality that is similar to what can be >>>>> achieved with templating. When a person has relatives, for instance it >>>>> will >>>>> show. When something is in a particular location, it will show the >>>>> hierarchy. when there is a geo coordinate, it shows a map, >>>>> >>>>> Now citing "political reasons" begs the question since when our >>>>> community decides NOT to implement things that are so manifestly in line >>>>> what our mission. >>>>> >>>>> When you consider in build queries... That is what Reasonator offers >>>>> for a long long time. >>>>> >>>>> Do you really know what Reasonator is about ? Do you speak for the >>>>> community ?? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> >>>>> On 30 December 2014 at 13:30, Thomas Douillard < >>>>> thomas.douill...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Gerard, I like Reasonator a lot, but there is several advantages >>>>>> to an integrated solution : >>>>>> * We can reuse technologies of the mediawiki ecosystem, like for >>>>>> example a very important one : templates, that are already used an that a >>>>>> lot of wikimedians knows. It can be used to build template articles. I >>>>>> don't know if reasonator atm had a lot of contributions. It needs a >>>>>> github >>>>>> or something account and Javascript knowledge. >>>>>> * community is reluctant to use not in wiki tools for such needs, >>>>>> it's politically hard to push Reasonator integration into Wikidata >>>>>> fundamental templates, I can tell. >>>>>> * A solution based on prebuilt queries to select the appropriate >>>>>> template seems not so hard to implement only with Wikibase concepts, and >>>>>> deeply integrated to the mediawiki ecosystem, integrate Reasonator will >>>>>> probably eventually not result into such result. >>>>>> >>>>>> And yes, Reasonator is usable right now. So it's cool that this >>>>>> feature is not implemented right now :) And reasonator can follow its own >>>>>> path. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014-12-30 12:28 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com >>>>>> >: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>> You also forget that it HAS been in use on several Wikipedias in the >>>>>>> past. So when that was no problem why is it a problem that can not be >>>>>>> overcome now and for now? >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 December 2014 at 12:15, Gerard Meijssen < >>>>>>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>> They are mostly excuses. The software has been in use for a LONG >>>>>>>> time. It is known for its relevance for the same long time.. So the >>>>>>>> value >>>>>>>> of this need is diminished by the lack of attention in the past. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The point is that these excuses are very much in the way of us >>>>>>>> achieving our goal.. sharing in the sum of all knowledge. The >>>>>>>> knowledge in >>>>>>>> Wikidata is available knowledge to us so we do not have a valid excuse. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30 December 2014 at 11:38, Michał Łazowik <mlazo...@me.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > Wiadomość napisana przez Gerard Meijssen < >>>>>>>>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> w dniu 30 gru 2014, o godz. 10:24: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Reasonator works now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, but the thing is that putting anything on production is not >>>>>>>>> just including it there. >>>>>>>>> The whole code needs to be reviewed and there are some >>>>>>>>> limitations, especially >>>>>>>>> with 3rd party libraries. Bootstrap is a no-go. There are code >>>>>>>>> conventions, performance >>>>>>>>> and compatibility issues (mediawiki has to support IE 8) and >>>>>>>>> internationalisation. 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