The Visual editor has a whole UI team behind it, who've been working on it
for years. Yes, citations are only a small part of it, but there is nothing
equivalent in WMF or German chapter for Wikidata, AFAIK. The Wikidata UI is
improved constantly, but I don't think there is anyone, let alone a whole
team, developing massive new UI features.


On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:14 PM Brill Lyle <[email protected]> wrote:

> These are great, important suggestions. But like with the library science
> resources, it seems like Wikidata is again trying to re-invent an existing
> wheel. Why are the existing tools in Wikipedia not being migrated and/or
> pathway'd into Wikidata? The stripping of Wikipedia citations to push it to
> Wikidata often / always (?) denudes the information of what is a very
> rigorous requirement on Wiki.
>
> I love the Citoid option, or whatever has been deployed for the Wiki
> Markup editor when you put an ISBN number, OCLC number, or NYTimes URL into
> the lookups there. There is no interchangeability with Wikidata though?
>
> #WikiCite :-)
>
> Agree on the {{citation needed}} button, Finn! ha!
>
> - Erika
>
>
> *Erika Herzog*
> Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle>*
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Magnus Manske <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> While the proposal of all statements requiring citation is obviously
>> overshooting, I believe we all agree that more/better citations improve
>> Wikidata.
>> One component here would be a social one, namely that it first becomes
>> good practice, then the default, to cite statements.
>> For that, improved technology and new approaches are required.
>> Suggestions include:
>> * Open a blank reference box when adding a statement in the default
>> editor, thus subtly prompting a reference
>> * Show a "smart field" for reference adding, e.g. just paste a URL, and
>> it registers it's an URL, suggests a title from the page at the URL, adds
>> access date, suggests other data that can be inferred from the URL or the
>> linked page, shows likely other fields (e.g. "author" or such) for easy
>> fill-in
>> * Automatically add references for statements via external IDs. I have a
>> bot that does that to some degree, but it could use productizing
>> * Tools to "migrate" Wikipedia references to the actual sources. (Again,
>> I have some, but...)
>> * "Reference mode", to quickly add references to statements. (I have a
>> drag'n'drop script, but that breaks on every Wikidata UI update)
>> * A list of items/statements that are in "priority need" for referencing.
>> For example, death dates of the recently deceased should be simple, while
>> they are still in the news.
>> * Dedicated drives to complete a "set" (e.g. all women chemists), that
>> is, have all statements references in those items
>> * Special watchlist for new statements without reference, especially on
>> otherwise "completely referenced" items
>>
>> Magnus
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:56 PM Brill Lyle <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> *blanket, not blanked...
>>>
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