Hoi,
No Sjoerd, the primary post is about issues how to fix them and how to
signal them.
When it is about nationality, it is an old story and as far as I am
concerned countries have a start date and often an end date. Prior to this
start date the country does not exist. During the epoch of the existence of
a country its borders change. Add to that the fact that people may have
double nationalities or no nationality at all.. In the end it is a morass.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 5 November 2017 at 17:27, Sjoerd de Bruin <[email protected]> wrote:
> You are not answering the question (not the first time). P27 has a lot of
> problems, due to people using it for citizenship and nationality at the
> same time. Put this in combination with the "fantastic" Wikipedia category
> system! AFAIK there is still some discussion going on here:
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Nationality
>
> You can fix some items manually, but a good discussion and reform about
> how we structure this kind of information is needed.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Sjoerd de Bruin
> [email protected]
>
> Op 5 nov. 2017, om 12:04 heeft Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>
> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Hoi,
> There is much more to this. When a publication has been denounced, when
> the author is denounced for having it ghost written. When ghost written is
> not to reflect because of the stigma involved.. We should forcefully flag
> publications, findings and authors when there is a problem.. A query should
> not include what they publiced what hey "found".
>
> At this moment Wikidata is very much a stamp collection and we should be
> more than that.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 5 November 2017 at 11:40, Marco Neumann <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> What's the current procedure for disputing a non trivial claim on a
>> wikidata item?
>>
>> I know I can just go ahead and change a claim (statement and/or its
>> value) but the dispute itself would only be captured in the change-log
>> of the respective wikidata instance.
>>
>> Would one create a discussion entry on the item page first to motivate
>> a change on an item that's not straight forward?
>>
>> so for example on the item
>>
>> Paul Staines
>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16191299
>>
>> it states that person has
>>
>> :country of citizenship :United Kingdom
>> (a claim created by Rpfb119 on 1 April 2015 )
>>
>> but on wikipedia-en it says nationality Irish without a reference
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Staines
>>
>> is there or should there be a qualifier/reference to flag a statement
>> to be in dispute?
>>
>> Also is this mailing-list the best place to discuss such (item
>> specific) matters? Or is the Wikidata community portal with the
>> Requests for comment service a better place?
>>
>>
>> thx
>> Marco
>>
>>
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