GarardM, I don't mind the wikidata mess it's part of the open data ecosystem it tries to embrace and will actually allow the project to grow along some interesting real world data challenges.
btw we could use the ranking feature to exclude the statement from some of the queries. so a flag for disputed on the ranking could be a good fit. for the specific item I am now certain that the citizenship association currently is incorrect or at least incomplete. this might change again over time with future events and a possible entitlement for dual citizenship status for this Q5. Marco On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hoi, > No Sjoerd, the primary post is about issues how to fix them and how to > signal them. > > When it is about nationality, it is an old story and as far as I am > concerned countries have a start date and often an end date. Prior to this > start date the country does not exist. During the epoch of the existence of > a country its borders change. Add to that the fact that people may have > double nationalities or no nationality at all.. In the end it is a morass. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 5 November 2017 at 17:27, Sjoerd de Bruin <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You are not answering the question (not the first time). P27 has a lot of >> problems, due to people using it for citizenship and nationality at the same >> time. Put this in combination with the "fantastic" Wikipedia category >> system! AFAIK there is still some discussion going on here: >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Nationality >> >> You can fix some items manually, but a good discussion and reform about >> how we structure this kind of information is needed. >> >> Greetings, >> >> Sjoerd de Bruin >> [email protected] >> >> Op 5 nov. 2017, om 12:04 heeft Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]> >> het volgende geschreven: >> >> Hoi, >> There is much more to this. When a publication has been denounced, when >> the author is denounced for having it ghost written. When ghost written is >> not to reflect because of the stigma involved.. We should forcefully flag >> publications, findings and authors when there is a problem.. A query should >> not include what they publiced what hey "found". >> >> At this moment Wikidata is very much a stamp collection and we should be >> more than that. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 5 November 2017 at 11:40, Marco Neumann <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> What's the current procedure for disputing a non trivial claim on a >>> wikidata item? >>> >>> I know I can just go ahead and change a claim (statement and/or its >>> value) but the dispute itself would only be captured in the change-log >>> of the respective wikidata instance. >>> >>> Would one create a discussion entry on the item page first to motivate >>> a change on an item that's not straight forward? >>> >>> so for example on the item >>> >>> Paul Staines >>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16191299 >>> >>> it states that person has >>> >>> :country of citizenship :United Kingdom >>> (a claim created by Rpfb119 on 1 April 2015 ) >>> >>> but on wikipedia-en it says nationality Irish without a reference >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Staines >>> >>> is there or should there be a qualifier/reference to flag a statement >>> to be in dispute? >>> >>> Also is this mailing-list the best place to discuss such (item >>> specific) matters? Or is the Wikidata community portal with the >>> Requests for comment service a better place? >>> >>> >>> thx >>> Marco >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Marco Neumann >>> KONA >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > -- --- Marco Neumann KONA _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
