Hoi David,
No you are not a bully. Indeed as you suggested, "catalog" was used because
there was no agreement to be had for a new property. It is why the
repurposing of an existing property was accepted. Having data makes it
easier because it is relatively easy to replace one property (including
qualifiers) for another. It should also be easier to appreciate how
Wikidata is used by the Black Lunch Table and others for preparing for
editathons, the selection of subjects for new Wikipedia articles. Remember,
the development of data for the items involved is documented; they started
with little more than a name (disambiguated in Wikidata) and a reference to
a catalog. Slowly but surely additional data was added and Wikipedia
articles in multiple languages were added.
This all can be observed; I have started a Listeria list [1] in Wikidata as
well explicitly to make this even more obvious. The issue is not about this
one property. It is about trust and diversity.
Thanks,
GerardM
[1]
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:GerardM/Black_Lunch_Table&action=history
On 6 January 2018 at 19:34, David Lowe <davidl...@nypl.org> wrote:
> Thank you. This 16 year library veteran is utterly confounded by this
> concept of "catalog" (does that make me a bully?). If that was the best
> option available at some prior point- repurposing some property for some
> new need- all well and good. But it seems clear it was (and is) not a
> clear, intuitive, or agreeable solution. Make a new damn property and move
> on, already. And as a relative newbie, reading this (and other) threads
> dominated by self-righteous, obnoxious, belligerent power(drunk) users
> makes me LOL at the hollow high-minded talk of fostering "community". Good
> luck with that, y'all.
>
>
> *David Lowe | The New York Public Library**Specialist II, Photography
> Collection*
>
> *Photographers' Identities Catalog <http://pic.nypl.org>*
>
> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 7:42 AM, James Heald <jpm.he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have now created a property proposal for a new property, "Wikidata
>> focus list", to act as a drop-in replacement for some current uses of P972.
>>
>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Wik
>> idata_focus_list
>>
>> Let's sort this thing out.
>>
>> -- James.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 06/01/2018 10:40, Maarten Dammers wrote:
>>
>>> On 05-01-18 22:55, Jane Darnell wrote:
>>>
>>>> I object to your use of the catalog property to link to something that
>>>> is not a catalog. I don't see why my objection leads you to expect me to
>>>> offer an alternative way to track your project. I am not responsible for
>>>> your project and don't understand what it is. If you can't understand that
>>>> then you should not probably not be editing Wikidata.
>>>>
>>> To add to that. I see three things:
>>> 1. Using the wrong property ( catalog (P972) ). Solution -> move to
>>> another property, this depends on point 3
>>> 2. Notability of the people BLT. Solution -> Add more information and
>>> links to establish notability (or worse case, delete)
>>> 3. Using Wikidata as a shopping list for a Wikiproject. Have a
>>> discussion if we, the Wikidata community, want that (point 1 might not be
>>> needed if the end result is don't want)
>>>
>>> For the people like Jane and I, you're basically squatting the current
>>> catalog (P972) property. So we care most about point 1. Point 2 and 3 are
>>> for the BLT community to solve.
>>>
>>> Point 3 is probably the hardest one. On https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>> Wikipedia:Meetup/Black_Lunch_Table/Lists_of_Articles I found the
>>> shopping lists for the BLT project. People seem to be in the hand curated
>>> list and in the Listeria list. Clicking around I found
>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20011585 which seems to indicate that
>>> you had a Black Lunch Table meetup on 9 december 2017 at " The 8th Floor"
>>> and judging from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>> Wikipedia:Meetup/Black_Lunch_Table/Triangle_Jan_2018 that seems
>>> correct. At the bottom of this page is another Listeria shopping list based
>>> on this. I'm not sure we should store this kind of data on Wikidata.
>>>
>>> Maarten
>>>
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