Sebastian, "I don't want to facilitate conspiracy theories, but ..." "[I am] interested in what is the truth behind the truth"
I am sorry, I truly am, but this *is* the language I know from conspiracy theorists. And given that, I cannot imagine that there is anything I can say that could convince you otherwise. Therefore there is no real point for me in engaging with this conversation on these terms, I cannot see how it would turn constructive. The answers to many of your questions are public and on the record. Others tried to point you to them (thanks), but you dismiss them as not fitting your narrative. So here's a suggestion, which I think might be much more constructive and forward-looking: I have been working on a comparison of DBpedia, Wikidata, and Freebase (and since you've read my thesis, you know that's a thing I know a bit about). Simple evaluation, coverage, correctness, nothing dramatically fancy. But I am torn about publishing it, because, d'oh, people may (with good reasons) dismiss it as being biased. And truth be told - the simple fact that I don't know DBpedia as well as I know Wikidata and Freebase might indeed have lead to errors, mistakes, and stuff I missed in the evaluation. But you know what would help? You. My suggestion is that I publish my current draft, and then you and me work together on it, publically, in the open, until we reach a state we both consider correct enough for publication. What do you think? Cheers, Denny P.S.: I am travelling the next week, so I may ask for patience On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 8:11 AM Thad Guidry <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for sharing your opinions, Sebastian. > > Cheers, > Thad > https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/ > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 9:43 AM Sebastian Hellmann < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Thad, >> On 20.09.19 15:28, Thad Guidry wrote: >> >> With my tech evangelist hat on... >> >> Google's philanthropy is nearly boundless when it comes to the promotion >> of knowledge. Why? Because indeed it's in their best interest otherwise no >> one can prosper without knowledge. They aggregate knowledge for the >> benefit of mankind, and then make a profit through advertising ... all >> while making that knowledge extremely easy to be found for the world. >> >> >> I am neither pro-Google or anti-Google per se. Maybe skeptical and >> interested in what is the truth behind the truth. Google is not synonym to >> philanthropy. Wikimedia is or at least I think they are doing many things >> right. Google is a platform, so primarily they "aggregate knowledge for >> their benefit" while creating enough incentives in form of accessibility >> for users to add the user's knowledge to theirs. It is not about what >> Google offers, but what it takes in return. 20% of employees time is also >> an investment in the skill of the employee, a Google asset called Human >> Capital and also leads to me and Denny from Google discussing whether >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Knowledge_Graph is content marketing >> or knowledge (@Denny: no offense, legit arguments, but no agenda to resolve >> the stalled discussion there). Except I don't have 20% time to straighten >> the view into what I believe would be neutral, so pushing it becomes a >> resource issue. >> >> I found the other replies much more realistic and the perspective is yet >> unclear. Maybe Mozilla wasn't so much frenemy with Google and got removed >> from the browser market for it. I am also thinking about Linked Open Data. >> Decentralisation is quite weak, individually. I guess spreading all the >> Wikibases around to super-nodes is helpful unless it prevents the formation >> of a stronger lobby of philanthropists or competition to BigTech. Wikidata >> created some pressure on DBpedia as well (also opportunities), but we are >> fine since we can simply innovate. Others might not withstand. Microsoft >> seems to favor OpenStreetMaps so I am just asking to which degree Open >> Source and Open Data is being instrumentalised by BigTech. >> >> Hence my question, whether it is compromise or be removed. (Note that >> states are also platforms, which measure value in GDP and make laws and >> roads and take VAT on transactions. Sometimes, they even don't remove >> opposition.) >> >> -- >> All the best, >> Sebastian Hellmann >> >> Director of Knowledge Integration and Linked Data Technologies (KILT) >> Competence Center >> at the Institute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) at Leipzig University >> Executive Director of the DBpedia Association >> Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, >> http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt >> <http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt> >> Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann >> Research Group: http://aksw.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >
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