I would love your input! I will send the link here, and any contribution will be welcome :)
Thank you! On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 11:05 AM Samuel Klein <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm also interested in this comparison and intersection, and glad to share > perspective + help. Warmly, SJ > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 1:32 PM Denny Vrandečić <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Yes, you're touching exactly on the problems I had during the evaluation >> - I couldn't even figure out what DBpedia is. Thanks, your help will be >> very much appreciated. >> >> OK, I will send a link the week after the next, and then we can start >> working on it :) I am very much looking forward to it. >> >> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 10:11 AM Sebastian Hellmann < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Na, I am quite open, albeit impulsive. The information given was quite >>> good and some of my concerns regarding the involvement of Google were also >>> lifted or relativized. Mainly due to the fact that there seems to be a >>> sense of awareness. >>> >>> I am just studying economic principles, which are very powerful. I also >>> have the feeling that free and open stuff just got a lot more commercial >>> and I am still struggling with myself whether this is good or not. Also >>> whether DBpedia should become frenemies with BigTech. Or funny things like >>> many funding agencies try to push for national sustainability options, but >>> most of the time, they suggest to use the GitHub Platform. Wikibase could >>> be an option here. >>> >>> I have to apologize for the Knowledge Graph Talk thing. I was a bit >>> grumpy, because I thought I wasted a lot of time on the Talk page that >>> could have been invested in making the article better (WP:BE_BOLD style), >>> but now I think, it might have been my own mistake. So apologies for >>> lashing out there. >>> >>> (see comments below) >>> On 20.09.19 17:53, Denny Vrandečić wrote: >>> >>> Sebastian, >>> >>> "I don't want to facilitate conspiracy theories, but ..." >>> "[I am] interested in what is the truth behind the truth" >>> >>> I am sorry, I truly am, but this *is* the language I know from >>> conspiracy theorists. And given that, I cannot imagine that there is >>> anything I can say that could convince you otherwise. Therefore there is no >>> real point for me in engaging with this conversation on these terms, I >>> cannot see how it would turn constructive. >>> >>> The answers to many of your questions are public and on the record. >>> Others tried to point you to them (thanks), but you dismiss them as not >>> fitting your narrative. >>> >>> So here's a suggestion, which I think might be much more constructive >>> and forward-looking: >>> >>> I have been working on a comparison of DBpedia, Wikidata, and Freebase >>> (and since you've read my thesis, you know that's a thing I know a bit >>> about). Simple evaluation, coverage, correctness, nothing dramatically >>> fancy. But I am torn about publishing it, because, d'oh, people may (with >>> good reasons) dismiss it as being biased. And truth be told - the simple >>> fact that I don't know DBpedia as well as I know Wikidata and Freebase >>> might indeed have lead to errors, mistakes, and stuff I missed in the >>> evaluation. But you know what would help? >>> >>> You. >>> >>> My suggestion is that I publish my current draft, and then you and me >>> work together on it, publically, in the open, until we reach a state we >>> both consider correct enough for publication. >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Sure, we are doing statistics at the moment as well. It is a bit hard to >>> define what DBpedia is nowadays as we are rebranding the remixed datasets, >>> now that we can pick up links and other data from the Databus. It might not >>> even be a real dataset anymore, but glue between datasets focusing on the >>> speed of integration and ease of quality improvement. Also still working on >>> the concrete Sync Targets for GlobalFactSync ( >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/DBpedia/GlobalFactSyncRE) >>> as well. >>> >>> One question I have is whether Wikidata is effective/efficient or where >>> it is effective and where it could use improvement as a chance for >>> collaboration. >>> >>> So yes any time. >>> >>> -- Sebastian >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Denny >>> >>> P.S.: I am travelling the next week, so I may ask for patience >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 8:11 AM Thad Guidry <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you for sharing your opinions, Sebastian. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Thad >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 9:43 AM Sebastian Hellmann < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Thad, >>>>> On 20.09.19 15:28, Thad Guidry wrote: >>>>> >>>>> With my tech evangelist hat on... >>>>> >>>>> Google's philanthropy is nearly boundless when it comes to the >>>>> promotion of knowledge. Why? Because indeed it's in their best interest >>>>> otherwise no one can prosper without knowledge. They aggregate knowledge >>>>> for the benefit of mankind, and then make a profit through advertising ... >>>>> all while making that knowledge extremely easy to be found for the world. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am neither pro-Google or anti-Google per se. Maybe skeptical and >>>>> interested in what is the truth behind the truth. Google is not synonym to >>>>> philanthropy. Wikimedia is or at least I think they are doing many things >>>>> right. Google is a platform, so primarily they "aggregate knowledge for >>>>> their benefit" while creating enough incentives in form of accessibility >>>>> for users to add the user's knowledge to theirs. It is not about what >>>>> Google offers, but what it takes in return. 20% of employees time is also >>>>> an investment in the skill of the employee, a Google asset called Human >>>>> Capital and also leads to me and Denny from Google discussing whether >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Knowledge_Graph is content >>>>> marketing or knowledge (@Denny: no offense, legit arguments, but no agenda >>>>> to resolve the stalled discussion there). Except I don't have 20% time to >>>>> straighten the view into what I believe would be neutral, so pushing it >>>>> becomes a resource issue. >>>>> >>>>> I found the other replies much more realistic and the perspective is >>>>> yet unclear. Maybe Mozilla wasn't so much frenemy with Google and got >>>>> removed from the browser market for it. I am also thinking about Linked >>>>> Open Data. Decentralisation is quite weak, individually. I guess spreading >>>>> all the Wikibases around to super-nodes is helpful unless it prevents the >>>>> formation of a stronger lobby of philanthropists or competition to >>>>> BigTech. >>>>> Wikidata created some pressure on DBpedia as well (also opportunities), >>>>> but >>>>> we are fine since we can simply innovate. Others might not withstand. >>>>> Microsoft seems to favor OpenStreetMaps so I am just asking to which >>>>> degree >>>>> Open Source and Open Data is being instrumentalised by BigTech. >>>>> >>>>> Hence my question, whether it is compromise or be removed. (Note that >>>>> states are also platforms, which measure value in GDP and make laws and >>>>> roads and take VAT on transactions. Sometimes, they even don't remove >>>>> opposition.) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> All the best, >>>>> Sebastian Hellmann >>>>> >>>>> Director of Knowledge Integration and Linked Data Technologies (KILT) >>>>> Competence Center >>>>> at the Institute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) at Leipzig University >>>>> Executive Director of the DBpedia Association >>>>> Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, >>>>> http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt >>>>> <http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt> >>>>> Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann >>>>> Research Group: http://aksw.org >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>> >>> -- >>> All the best, >>> Sebastian Hellmann >>> >>> Director of Knowledge Integration and Linked Data Technologies (KILT) >>> Competence Center >>> at the Institute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) at Leipzig University >>> Executive Director of the DBpedia Association >>> Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, >>> http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt >>> <http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt> >>> Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann >>> Research Group: http://aksw.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> > > > -- > Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 > <(617)%20529-4266> > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >
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