Just an ominous note here. It has to do with th property of the semantic web of
only having one schema and several id's for same things and then it is just a
matter of how to partition it again and distribute it to where people need the
information and establishing feedback in the opposite direction. Basically an
implemented variation of what Kingsley has been saying for years.
Waiting for your message.
LG,
Sebastian
On September 20, 2019 7:31:36 PM GMT+02:00, "Denny Vrandečić"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Yes, you're touching exactly on the problems I had during the
>evaluation -
>I couldn't even figure out what DBpedia is. Thanks, your help will be
>very much appreciated.
>
>OK, I will send a link the week after the next, and then we can start
>working on it :) I am very much looking forward to it.
>
>On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 10:11 AM Sebastian Hellmann <
>[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Na, I am quite open, albeit impulsive. The information given was
>quite
>> good and some of my concerns regarding the involvement of Google were
>also
>> lifted or relativized. Mainly due to the fact that there seems to be
>a
>> sense of awareness.
>>
>> I am just studying economic principles, which are very powerful. I
>also
>> have the feeling that free and open stuff just got a lot more
>commercial
>> and I am still struggling with myself whether this is good or not.
>Also
>> whether DBpedia should become frenemies with BigTech. Or funny things
>like
>> many funding agencies try to push for national sustainability
>options, but
>> most of the time, they suggest to use the GitHub Platform. Wikibase
>could
>> be an option here.
>>
>> I have to apologize for the Knowledge Graph Talk thing. I was a bit
>> grumpy, because I thought I wasted a lot of time on the Talk page
>that
>> could have been invested in making the article better (WP:BE_BOLD
>style),
>> but now I think, it might have been my own mistake. So apologies for
>> lashing out there.
>>
>> (see comments below)
>> On 20.09.19 17:53, Denny Vrandečić wrote:
>>
>> Sebastian,
>>
>> "I don't want to facilitate conspiracy theories, but ..."
>> "[I am] interested in what is the truth behind the truth"
>>
>> I am sorry, I truly am, but this *is* the language I know from
>conspiracy
>> theorists. And given that, I cannot imagine that there is anything I
>can
>> say that could convince you otherwise. Therefore there is no real
>point for
>> me in engaging with this conversation on these terms, I cannot see
>how it
>> would turn constructive.
>>
>> The answers to many of your questions are public and on the record.
>Others
>> tried to point you to them (thanks), but you dismiss them as not
>fitting
>> your narrative.
>>
>> So here's a suggestion, which I think might be much more constructive
>and
>> forward-looking:
>>
>> I have been working on a comparison of DBpedia, Wikidata, and
>Freebase
>> (and since you've read my thesis, you know that's a thing I know a
>bit
>> about). Simple evaluation, coverage, correctness, nothing
>dramatically
>> fancy. But I am torn about publishing it, because, d'oh, people may
>(with
>> good reasons) dismiss it as being biased. And truth be told - the
>simple
>> fact that I don't know DBpedia as well as I know Wikidata and
>Freebase
>> might indeed have lead to errors, mistakes, and stuff I missed in the
>> evaluation. But you know what would help?
>>
>> You.
>>
>> My suggestion is that I publish my current draft, and then you and me
>work
>> together on it, publically, in the open, until we reach a state we
>both
>> consider correct enough for publication.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Sure, we are doing statistics at the moment as well. It is a bit hard
>to
>> define what DBpedia is nowadays as we are rebranding the remixed
>datasets,
>> now that we can pick up links and other data from the Databus. It
>might not
>> even be a real dataset anymore, but glue between datasets focusing on
>the
>> speed of integration and ease of quality improvement. Also still
>working on
>> the concrete Sync Targets for GlobalFactSync (
>>
>https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/DBpedia/GlobalFactSyncRE)
>> as well.
>>
>> One question I have is whether Wikidata is effective/efficient or
>where it
>> is effective and where it could use improvement as a chance for
>> collaboration.
>>
>> So yes any time.
>>
>> -- Sebastian
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Denny
>>
>> P.S.: I am travelling the next week, so I may ask for patience
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 8:11 AM Thad Guidry <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for sharing your opinions, Sebastian.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Thad
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 9:43 AM Sebastian Hellmann <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Thad,
>>>> On 20.09.19 15:28, Thad Guidry wrote:
>>>>
>>>> With my tech evangelist hat on...
>>>>
>>>> Google's philanthropy is nearly boundless when it comes to the
>promotion
>>>> of knowledge. Why? Because indeed it's in their best interest
>otherwise no
>>>> one can prosper without knowledge. They aggregate knowledge for
>the
>>>> benefit of mankind, and then make a profit through advertising ...
>all
>>>> while making that knowledge extremely easy to be found for the
>world.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am neither pro-Google or anti-Google per se. Maybe skeptical and
>>>> interested in what is the truth behind the truth. Google is not
>synonym to
>>>> philanthropy. Wikimedia is or at least I think they are doing many
>things
>>>> right. Google is a platform, so primarily they "aggregate knowledge
>for
>>>> their benefit" while creating enough incentives in form of
>accessibility
>>>> for users to add the user's knowledge to theirs. It is not about
>what
>>>> Google offers, but what it takes in return. 20% of employees time
>is also
>>>> an investment in the skill of the employee, a Google asset called
>Human
>>>> Capital and also leads to me and Denny from Google discussing
>whether
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Knowledge_Graph is content
>marketing
>>>> or knowledge (@Denny: no offense, legit arguments, but no agenda to
>resolve
>>>> the stalled discussion there). Except I don't have 20% time to
>straighten
>>>> the view into what I believe would be neutral, so pushing it
>becomes a
>>>> resource issue.
>>>>
>>>> I found the other replies much more realistic and the perspective
>is yet
>>>> unclear. Maybe Mozilla wasn't so much frenemy with Google and got
>removed
>>>> from the browser market for it. I am also thinking about Linked
>Open Data.
>>>> Decentralisation is quite weak, individually. I guess spreading all
>the
>>>> Wikibases around to super-nodes is helpful unless it prevents the
>formation
>>>> of a stronger lobby of philanthropists or competition to BigTech.
>Wikidata
>>>> created some pressure on DBpedia as well (also opportunities), but
>we are
>>>> fine since we can simply innovate. Others might not withstand.
>Microsoft
>>>> seems to favor OpenStreetMaps so I am just asking to which degree
>Open
>>>> Source and Open Data is being instrumentalised by BigTech.
>>>>
>>>> Hence my question, whether it is compromise or be removed. (Note
>that
>>>> states are also platforms, which measure value in GDP and make laws
>and
>>>> roads and take VAT on transactions. Sometimes, they even don't
>remove
>>>> opposition.)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Sebastian Hellmann
>>>>
>>>> Director of Knowledge Integration and Linked Data Technologies
>(KILT)
>>>> Competence Center
>>>> at the Institute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) at Leipzig
>University
>>>> Executive Director of the DBpedia Association
>>>> Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org,
>>>> http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt
>>>> <http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt>
>>>> Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann
>>>> Research Group: http://aksw.org
>>>>
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>> All the best,
>> Sebastian Hellmann
>>
>> Director of Knowledge Integration and Linked Data Technologies (KILT)
>> Competence Center
>> at the Institute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) at Leipzig
>University
>> Executive Director of the DBpedia Association
>> Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org,
>> http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt
>> <http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt>
>> Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann
>> Research Group: http://aksw.org
>>
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