Randy, I ~didn't~ know this and we would be absolutely giddy to see them. Many thanks for the heads up...
How do we access them / how can we help? David On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Randy Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi David, > > Great initiative - were you aware that WikiEd received a donation of > chemistry labs for Gr. 10 and 11 - we have to get them into wiki > format...but we've got 'em (they were generated by much lauded BC Science > Teacher, Jim Hebden). Would these be of interest to you? > > - Randy > > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:40 AM, David Wiley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Simon and Leigh, > > > > We haven't been talking about it much, because we're still one step in > > the approval process away, but for a year now we've been working on > > establishing the Open High School of Utah - a publicly funded (and > > therefore free as in beer to students in the state of Utah) completely > > online high school that uses OERs exclusively throughout the entire > > curriculum. The final approval should be given this May for a Fall > > 2009 opening in which we'll admit a class of 9th graders, meaning that > > we'll have 15 months or so to put together the entire 9th grade > > curriculum's worth of OERs built out to stand-alone quality (i.e., not > > OERs to supplement textbooks, OERs as the primary content for the high > > school). Then in 2010 we'll do 9th and 10th grade, etc., until in 2012 > > we're running all four years of high school. > > > > All the materials will be freely available, as will our charter > > document, as will all the technology we will use to run the school. We > > hope to be a model of how OERs can revolutionize the practice and the > > funding of both learning AND education... > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Leigh Blackall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Great post Simon, I enjoy your wit :) > > > > > > Maybe I should clarify what I say about "learning being free, education > > > still costs" > > > > > > I mean the same as you mean - learning is what people are always free to > do, > > > and with todays enhanced capacity to access information and > communication, > > > learning might be vastly improved. > > > > > > But what is education in all that? Well, to me education is the > formality > > > that we agree is the extra, inflated, and fee driven bit. Education is > the > > > bit of paper that says you have been learning... > > > > > > So I think we actually agree, but it may be that I'm being a bit too > cynical > > > in my use of the work education. > > > > > > Here's a longer post I wrote on it if you're still troubled by my > slogan. > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 1:52 PM, simonfj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 25, 2:05 pm, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Cormac, Leigh, Simon, Others... > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the great feedback. I certainly hope some others jump > in... > > > > > > > > > > Cormac, > > > > > > > > > > There is a body of work where the evaluation of a persons > contribution > > > > > is evaluated via software; it's not so advanced that it can target a > > > > > single person and evaluate what they have done... probably one day > > > > > (soon), see these two > > > > references;http://www.research.ibm.com/visual/projects/history_flow/http://www.soe.ucsc.edu/~luca/papers/07/wikiwww2007.pdf > > > > > > > > Ooo! I can't see it. But that's only because i never have. Evaluation > > > > to me, and I've had to employ graduates to do media jobs, always comes > > > > down to seeing of they, or their teachers, can do it. i.e. have > > > > institutions prepared the inexperienced for it?. Old industries, no > > > > problem. New industries, like the interactive media ones; rarely a > > > > clue. > > > > > > > > Let me give you an illustration of a change going back 30 years. Unis > > > > were trying to "teach" AV production stuff. Many didn't have a > > > > recording desk. Even fewer had relationships with bands or actors > > > > interested in recording. Even if some students did, they wouldn't be > > > > encouraged to bring those noisy long haired gits into a lovely clean > > > > studio. > > > > > > > > So one dirty engineer in Sydney started offering courses in his > > > > studio, which now, though some unis in 49 countries, offers accredited > > > > courses. http://www.sae.edu/. But it wasn't until the unis were > > > > included in the Learning mix of enough working engineers that the > > > > accreditations were given. Until then, we usually just gave students a > > > > piece of paper, and for the more determined, helped them find them a > > > > job. Now a three month course has inflated to three years. > > > > > > > > The thing i find fascinating - when watching new interactive & global > > > > media institutions, like Wikipedia, et al, get their Project Groups' > > > > Learning ground(s) together and professionalize good habits, while at > > > > the same time watching national Teaching institutions struggling to > > > > think outside their squares - is that nothing seems to have changed. > > > > > > > > In the professionals' web space, you see the beginnings of global > > > > interactive environments, which are obviously self sustaining and > > > > appear to help people meet peers, get their heads around the things a > > > > good web designer needs to know and maybe get some (paid) experience. > > > > http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/ And then you look at unis' web sites/ > > > > brochureware, ho! ho! One obviously puts an emphasis on their > > > > members' communications, the other on the institution's information. > > > > i.e. communicating global GROUPS vs, National (.edu) NETWORKS. > > > > > > > > As Cormac says, "you don't get a PhD, but you might be a damn sight > > > > > > > > more eligible to get a job with a certain employer institution that is > > > > open-minded enough to recognise this particular work done". I don't > > > > think it's even a matter of them being open minded. It's more a matter > > > > that in the commercial world, one gets paid for results, and if you > > > > can point to something, like Liam can, who do you think will get the > > > > job?.This is very new ground. > > > > > > > > I also think Leigh is quite right. "Through an international network > > > > > > > > of teachers and assessors, we might see the cost of > > > > such processes and services greatly reduced!" But you have to have the > > > > "international network" first, and all we do have at the moment is a > > > > bunch of National .edu ones. Thankfully Web 2.0 Inc. are able to help > > > > fill the obvious gaps. But you got this wrong. "Learning is still > > > > free, education still costs". Nah, "accreditation still costs". You > > > > know, priests used to sell indulgences. That's why the Reformation > > > > (supposedly) started. > > > > > > > > Perhaps, rather than talking about accreditation, we should be talking > > > > about where the new jobs are, what skills are required and who's doing > > > > the employing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- > > > Leigh Blackall > > > +64(0)21736539 > > > skype - leigh_blackall > > > SL - Leroy Goalpost > > > http://learnonline.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ________________ > Randy Fisher aka "Wikirandy for WikiEducator" > http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Wikirandy > > + 1 604.684.2275 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.hirerandy.com > > Skype: wikirandy > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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