Re: [WikiEducator] Lack of Access paradox; Open Access Week Ning group

Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:51:28 -0700

You are right, Leo...It does suck.   It seems to me that it is a shame that Ning has begun charging and an even bigger shame that China is so closed...Let's keep the cry ringing "All the world's knowledge for all the world's people!"

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Date: 10/10/2010 10:45AM
Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] Lack of Access paradox; Open Access Week Ning group

Hey Randy , sorry for "mislead" the discussion  , but since it is a conversation and disscussion , and created by all of us , so sometimes , if it is not too far sidetracked which I am myself aware of , I will try not to wonder too far from the focus

I did not mean to do it , in where I come from ( China ) , we are as previldeged as most of western people to not even talking about using OER , and acting with openess and access but first , we need to be able to get access and literally"open " the page

Ning was blocked in China once for a long time , I believe it is also  something to do with Gene interested abt "commuity infomatics "

to understand your concern , I reread your question in this thread , you felt irritating or even annoying to cost so much trouble to just sign onto the blog

what I am feeling is not even sign up to the blog , but The whole Ning are going to close the door to users like me

That sucks too right ?

Leo

2010/10/10 Randy Fisher <[email protected]>
Hi All,

The focus of my post, was NOT about Ning per se - it was more about the organizers choice of making it very difficult to obtain 'access' to an Open Access website.

Ning is not the bad guy here -

Rather, it's about thinking and acting in alignment with openness and access.

- Randy




On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 2:47 AM, gene loeb <[email protected]> wrote:
Leo, aalso those involved int he study of "community Informatics". Thanks, you are a good friend.
Gene


On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Wong Leo <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Gene ,

I am working with NGOs in China for last 5 years , I have sent your
requests to organisations I know abt using technology with elderly
people . if they reply I will forward to you .

Leo

2010/10/10, gene loeb <[email protected]>:
> Hi all,
> I am very angry and Ning. Wikieducator is a group of volunteers and
> worldwide learners. Many companies operate by advertising on the blog (which
> I think is satisfactory. The ads fit the blog topic and are very proper.
> Others handle it by having several tiers or layers. ONe offers very
> acceptable services, but offers a higher number or level of service at a
> fee.(Surveymonke adds features ie.printed forms and more services, for
> example. This works out well.
> By the way, I am looking for persons and institutions in China and Asia
> working with elderly using technology. Please  let  me know. I am editing a
> Journal on this  topic.
>
> Thanks,
> Gene
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Wong Leo <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> To be fair with Ning company , they did give its user warning tellling
>> that they are going to charge ( but the option they give to users are
>> all costing money
>>
>> I remember wikispaces , one of my favourite wiki , does have paid
>> services too , but it does also allow people to use wikispaces for
>> free ,especially for those of educator who were just using wikispaces
>> for its own classroom or personall use
>>
>> however , how those Web2.0 company or education2.0 services ( if they
>> are nodepending on funding or donation ) how can they survive?
>>
>>
>> Gene , and other educators what is your thoughts on this issue ?
>>
>> Can we really trust them and putting our resources or lessons plans on
>> them
>> .
>>
>> There are many things about wikieducator , but one of good things is
>> FREE to use
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/10/10, gene loeb <[email protected]>:
>> > Randy,
>> > Isn't ning the blog company that suddenly decided to charge everyone and
>> > came up with new servess and dumped its customers,m many of them in
>> > education? Dont waste time with Ning anything.
>> > Gene
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Randy Fisher <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi All,
>> >>
>> >> How irritating - I can't sign up to the Ning blog because I don't know
>> who
>> >> the person is, that created the network. I checked on the Open Access
>> >> "About
>> >> Us" page, and could not find it. So, I cannot register, cannot pass go,
>> >> etc.
>> >> Nor, does there seem to be a way to email someone associated with the
>> >> group.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.openaccessweek.org/groups
>> >>
>> >> What a paradox - the event screams "Open Access", yet for all that I
>> >> can
>> >> see and experience, it is a Giant Barrier that's off-limits.
>> >>
>> >> That sucks.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe someone will get the message.
>> >>
>> >> - Randy
>> >>
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