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Ludovic 2011/7/6 GoEthe.wiki <[email protected]> > Regarding point 1, if we accept images uploaded in July and August from > Switzerland, how would we have the nerve to reject images uploaded from > other countries during that time period? On the other hand, if we reject > images from Switzerland uploaded in July/August for the European contest, > people excluded will also think that is not fair. > > BTW, someone said there were already pictures uploaded from Switzerland, > but I could not find them. Can someone provide a link? > > Best, > Gonçalo > > > 2011/7/5 Lodewijk <[email protected]> > >> Hello all, >> >> It is wonderful we finally have a good conversation about this. >> >> There are several reasons why we should have the same dates throughout >> Europe - we discussed those both in Berlin and on this mailing list. I will >> not bore anyone with them right now though, because it doesn't matter any >> more. I'd love to have this discussion in depth, but let's do that elsewhere >> (I would recommand though to read through the meeting minutes of Berlin). >> >> The current situation is simple: Wikimedia Switzerland decided (and I >> still disagree with that strongly) to ignore the agreed timeframe - for >> whatever reason. Since the contest is now already ongoing for them, it >> doesn't matter much any more for the contest. >> >> Besides the time frame, there is the issue of the upload pipeline. This is >> another topic we agreed on together - and also here there are very good (and >> obvious) reasons: uploading should be as easy as possible. Right now, the >> pipeline of WMCH required participants to register *both* on Wikimedia >> Commons and on their website, to upload the images through the regular >> Commons upload system, to manually tag them (not with any monument ID btw) >> and thén to mark them through the contest website. This is totally different >> from the intended and agreed pipeline, which is much more simple: Create an >> account on Commons, use the special, simplified upload form - enter the >> monument identifier and done. We will take care of the rest. >> >> There are a few things we need to resolve: >> >> 1. Which images are admissible for the European competition >> 2. How can we simplify the uploading methods currently in place (which are >> even more complicated than normal upload procedures.) >> 3. How do we communicate this all >> >> For 1. I think that it doesn't help anyone to exclude images from >> Switzerland. However, the monuments uploaded through commons currently lack >> identifiers - as long as they miss those, they are not eligible. (But I >> assume that can be fixed). An alternative could be to only accept images >> uploaded between 1 and 30 september. Please note that it was already in the >> plan that it wouldn't matter to us *when* the photo was taken, but only when >> it was uploaded. I cannot make this decision by myself though. >> >> For 2. I think it would be best if WMCH would simplify their procedures as >> much as possible. Not because we agreed, but because that improves >> participation. There will become tooling available for easier uploading but >> that will be become available at the agreed upon time schedule. We can't >> speed this up for you. You could consider hacking together a form like WMNL >> used last year to significantly simplify uploading. Please check the post >> mortem 2010 for more information. >> >> For 3. I think it would help if we could consider July/August as a "silent >> start" - trying to persuade your partners to not advertize it too loudly >> until September 1. That way potential participants can enjoy the then >> available tooling and more easy upload system. I know this is uncomfortable, >> but I would really appreciate it if you could postpone publicizing as much >> as possible until September. >> >> I hope that the hostile tone can be left behind - fights over independence >> and agreements will help nobody. Let's try to reduce damage and find a >> middle way. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Lodewijk >> >> >> 2011/7/5 Ilario Valdelli <[email protected]> >> >>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:57 PM, GoEthe.wiki <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > I think the point is: maybe it would also have advantages for other >>> > countries to do the contest in different times, duration, etc., but we >>> > decided as a group to have it simultaneously for logistic, promotional >>> and >>> > fairness reasons. >>> >>> And we have decided to have it in summer for the same reason. >>> >>> It's not a question of advantage, it's a question for a better >>> logistic, a better promotion and a better fairness reason. >>> >>> The question is simple, If we had received a negative answer to Nico's >>> question, surely we would sit down and discuss with the partners >>> whether there was possible to participate. I can anticipate that the >>> question was probably negative. >>> >>> The decision of the Swiss contest has been a shared decision not with >>> the chapters, but with the partners, which are directly involved in >>> this national organization. >>> >>> I agree that the European contest must be a decision taken by the >>> chapters, but the National contest is a decision taken by the local >>> chapter and the partners and they must decide the best solution to >>> have a successful event. >>> >>> Now Switzerland in a middle of a dispute: to comply with the decision >>> of the chapters or to comply with the decision of the partners. >>> >>> It seems to me honest to say that we would respect the decision of the >>> partners for the Swiss contest because it is a local organization and >>> the partners participate with their internal resources, we would >>> respect the decision of the chapters for the European contest because >>> it is a shared decision and there is no sense to have an independent >>> decision. >>> >>> Ilario >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >
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