Salam Khaled, Can you please send me your MObile number so I can contact you better than the emails.
here is mine : 0105642546 thanks. On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Khaled Khalil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Hi there > > It my first mail to this list, and needless to say i am very late :) (and > that's probably because one of major downsides Majorely told about, lack of > info on the wiki). But i have few things to say on this thread. > > First of all, i want to thank Majorely for his frank and clear criticism, > that lead to this constructive discussion that should make a lot. > > Many of the mentioned problems could be avoided by the local volunteers > team i think, things like infos regarding shuttle schedule for example. > Actually i am an alexandrian (and somehow i am proude to be), but > unfortunately i wasn't able to help organizing the conference because of my > conscription status (think about me as a part time prisoner), and most > likely if i were within the volunteers i couldn't make a difference, i think > the staff were exelant just as volunteers, but none of theme was really > proffessional, and they couldn't expect all possible situations, but > something like this i guess should be expected for wikimedians (the largest > contribution driven community), but that doesn't change the fact that there > shalt be more work on wiki, or by early promotion of communication mediums > like the irc channel and this mailing list where all of us could share > infos, i would clarify that most of Egyptian attendees were more than ready > to help about anything involving info about the conference or even any help > needed about Alexandria, Cairo or arabic translation, actually most of them > would be gratefull to provide help. > > Unfortunately, most aspects and downside couldn't be avoided by organizers, > as you can say these points are defects by design,that's what the mix of > popular ignorance, poverty, social disorder led by administrative corruption > can do, a corrupt policeman could illustrate all the scene, these strange > picture in your memory with all its contrasts, you can call it Egypt in > decadence. But i would like to affirm you that your comments are highly > regarded, I know it is not the appropriate place to talk about politics, but > most deffects might never changes with only goodwill, i can't give you a > schedul, but come back few years latter and i hope some changes will be > done, some are already under the way, but we [egyptians] have to wake up > from our nightmare, because however you unliked the current state of Egypt, > Egyptians suffer the most. > > I like Kizo Naoko's word: > >> Mt. Sinai gave me a lesson; there is no special place in >> > this globe but we can change our world and invite to create the place >> > we feel comfortable, in our own labor and diligence. >> > Next time anyone want to visit Egypt, please contact your friends, friend > of friend, or anyone you can trust here, or at least someone already visited > Egypt, for Egyptians friends you can ask him/her for guidance and companion > in their cities. > > Another point of view, which is already discussed, there is no mean to keep > the monopoly between the first world, specially when it comes to Wikimedia, > i bet i benefit from Wikipedia for example more than you :) i am not joking, > i mean projects like this and like Wikiversity, Wikibooks are more valuable > where education is corrupt and/or expensive, that's clear i think, and > that's why i am more loyal to Wikimedia than most of you ;D even if i have > less to contribute. > > The most flourish part in this thread IMHO, is Ptricio's mail, which > promise a lot for next Wikimania i hope (and expect) it will be much better, > though some points may remain: > >> But if you walk the city, you'll meet poor people, at night you may find >> families >> > of waste pickers, you'll see homeless. Sorry about that. We are not >> > able to hide them for you and I think we don't want to do so. >> > they are not the organizers responsability, but i am sorry to say, poverty > is the responsability of all of us, all this planet residents, i am not just > talking in the flow, but i know there is something to be done, and i know > Wikimedia took it seriously by launching projects like Moulin, WikiAfrica > and the more to go. > > I hope if i can attend Wikimania2009 (visiting Argentina is an aim by its > own), though most probably i will not, but that is not the end of the world > for me, and hopefully i may attend some years latter, but for now, i will > try to keep active on wikipedia during my conscription. I will revise. > > -- > Khaled Khalil > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > >
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