so sorry, my last email shouldn't be here at all. excuse me. @Khaled, you are not the one I meant to talk to, sorry again. and just neglect this msg
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Mohamed Sanad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Salam Khaled, Can you please send me your MObile number so I can contact > you better than the emails. > > here is mine : 0105642546 > > thanks. > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Khaled Khalil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> Hi there >> >> It my first mail to this list, and needless to say i am very late :) (and >> that's probably because one of major downsides Majorely told about, lack of >> info on the wiki). But i have few things to say on this thread. >> >> First of all, i want to thank Majorely for his frank and clear criticism, >> that lead to this constructive discussion that should make a lot. >> >> Many of the mentioned problems could be avoided by the local volunteers >> team i think, things like infos regarding shuttle schedule for example. >> Actually i am an alexandrian (and somehow i am proude to be), but >> unfortunately i wasn't able to help organizing the conference because of my >> conscription status (think about me as a part time prisoner), and most >> likely if i were within the volunteers i couldn't make a difference, i think >> the staff were exelant just as volunteers, but none of theme was really >> proffessional, and they couldn't expect all possible situations, but >> something like this i guess should be expected for wikimedians (the largest >> contribution driven community), but that doesn't change the fact that there >> shalt be more work on wiki, or by early promotion of communication mediums >> like the irc channel and this mailing list where all of us could share >> infos, i would clarify that most of Egyptian attendees were more than ready >> to help about anything involving info about the conference or even any help >> needed about Alexandria, Cairo or arabic translation, actually most of them >> would be gratefull to provide help. >> >> Unfortunately, most aspects and downside couldn't be avoided by >> organizers, as you can say these points are defects by design,that's what >> the mix of popular ignorance, poverty, social disorder led by administrative >> corruption can do, a corrupt policeman could illustrate all the scene, these >> strange picture in your memory with all its contrasts, you can call it Egypt >> in decadence. But i would like to affirm you that your comments are highly >> regarded, I know it is not the appropriate place to talk about politics, but >> most deffects might never changes with only goodwill, i can't give you a >> schedul, but come back few years latter and i hope some changes will be >> done, some are already under the way, but we [egyptians] have to wake up >> from our nightmare, because however you unliked the current state of Egypt, >> Egyptians suffer the most. >> >> I like Kizo Naoko's word: >> >>> Mt. Sinai gave me a lesson; there is no special place in >>> >> this globe but we can change our world and invite to create the place >>> >> we feel comfortable, in our own labor and diligence. >>> >> Next time anyone want to visit Egypt, please contact your friends, friend >> of friend, or anyone you can trust here, or at least someone already visited >> Egypt, for Egyptians friends you can ask him/her for guidance and companion >> in their cities. >> >> Another point of view, which is already discussed, there is no mean to >> keep the monopoly between the first world, specially when it comes to >> Wikimedia, i bet i benefit from Wikipedia for example more than you :) i am >> not joking, i mean projects like this and like Wikiversity, Wikibooks are >> more valuable where education is corrupt and/or expensive, that's clear i >> think, and that's why i am more loyal to Wikimedia than most of you ;D even >> if i have less to contribute. >> >> The most flourish part in this thread IMHO, is Ptricio's mail, which >> promise a lot for next Wikimania i hope (and expect) it will be much better, >> though some points may remain: >> >>> But if you walk the city, you'll meet poor people, at night you may find >>> families >>> >> of waste pickers, you'll see homeless. Sorry about that. We are not >>> >> able to hide them for you and I think we don't want to do so. >>> >> they are not the organizers responsability, but i am sorry to say, poverty >> is the responsability of all of us, all this planet residents, i am not just >> talking in the flow, but i know there is something to be done, and i know >> Wikimedia took it seriously by launching projects like Moulin, WikiAfrica >> and the more to go. >> >> I hope if i can attend Wikimania2009 (visiting Argentina is an aim by its >> own), though most probably i will not, but that is not the end of the world >> for me, and hopefully i may attend some years latter, but for now, i will >> try to keep active on wikipedia during my conscription. I will revise. >> >> -- >> Khaled Khalil >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> >
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