Omar, you are going in circles trying to push a personal conviction with an empty rhetoric. You first say Visas are only a minor problem, right before starting again explaining how unfair it is for people that cannot/should not have an Israel visa on their passports.The local team is committed to help those interested in assisting to Wikimania, and gave plausible solutions for this situation. There will always be someone that will have more difficulties getting to a point on earth; that's why Wikimania is hosted in a different place every year.
You don't realize that you are insulting not only the jury (of which I was also part) claiming it committed errors you don't mind explaining, but even worse, you insult the Israel team, that place a very solid bid, and are working their arses off to organize the Wikimania and at the same time attend to the necessities of all those interested in participating of it. If you think that you don't want to participate because of the location of the Wikimania, then I suggest you to let these people work. You are not being constructive at all, and going around on this subject any further can only be considered a trolling. Please try to be constructive and help the organizing team though the best Wikimania yet. Insha'Allah, you will decide for travelling to Haifa and have a great experience there. Salam,MarianoC.- --- El jue 12-ago-10, Maysara Omar <[email protected]> escribió: De: Maysara Omar <[email protected]> Asunto: Re: [Wikimania-l] Problematic aspects of hosting the next conference in Haifa, Israel Para: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" <[email protected]> Fecha: jueves, 12 de agosto de 2010, 20:27 Austin Hair wrote: > I'm not sure why you created this thread, Maysara, since you acknowledge that there's no chance of the venue being moved to another country at this point in time. You're also responsible for over a quarter of the posts in it, I created this thread because I think this is an important issue to be addressed. And i do believe that there is and should be a chance at least to discuss whether the venue should be moved to another country, and that it should in fact be moved to another country (there is still one year ahead). And i think we need to do this again now because, with all due respect, people like you who were involved in the initial decision making process made mistakes big enough to justify a serious reconsideration. By the way, did you ever gave a justification as to why, although you knew about all these obstacles, you continued to believe that Haifa should be chosen? In my opinion which i stated above, there are no valid justifications to the current situation; it's absolutely unnecessary and avoidable. Finally i am responsible for over a quarter of the posts in this thread because it is me who brought this issue up, and because i am committed to answer every new argument brought through by the dialogue and discussion (for example, the way i am answering your insignificant point now, about me being responsible for over a quarter of the posts in this thread! and so on!!) And i praise Maysara for doing that! And not just for that, but also for keeping to consistency, integrity, truthfulness, sense of purpose, self-control and self-confidence, despite of the fact that, at least in this forum, I stand alone in defense of my argument and reasoning. > Your argument against Israel seems to hinge on visa difficulties, That is not true; visa difficulties is only a minor part of the problem. My problem is: why to ignore and deny those whom *WE ALREADY KNOW* cannot have an Israeli visa to participate in wikimania conference. I hold to this argument not against Israel, but in principle of fairness and right of all to attend and come to participation. Therefore I am convinced that my argument should be adopted even by Israelis, as long as they believe in that simple and basic principle: attendance *possible* for all(.) Many of you brought the issue of difficulties as being a fact of life, and existent every where. This is true, if a difficulty exists everywhere, then we can consider it to be a fact of life, or even deal with it as though non-existent (applying for a visa in the first place can be thus considered, regardless of to where). But the situation currently discussed in relation to Israel, is *not* a fact of life, does not exist everywhere, and involve the qualities of social prejudice, discrimination, and hostility. Again, it is an erroneous condition that we should find reason to evade. Those who will be negatively effected by that condition are being done wrong, not because it was an unavoidable condition, and not because no one had any control over changing it. They will be done wrong because everyone responsible to undertake the correction, or to demand such correction, did nothing or even opposed it. > You're entitled to your opinion, and our respective politics regarding Israel > are obviously different. I never spoke with view to politics thus far, and i don't think i will ever do, although i have much to say. -- Maysara"All that is necessary to right action, is right judgment." _Rene Descartes -----Adjunto en línea a continuación----- _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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