I am surprised to learn that the jury’s selection is a mere recommendation to the WMF. I was not aware of that. I’m not sure that the program teams are ideally constituted. The choice of presentations and/or allocations of time slots for various activities has often left me baffled.
Kudpung > On 05, Jun2018, at 22:19, DerHexer <[email protected]> wrote: > > That's true: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Wikimania_scholars/Reviewer%27s_guide#Score_adjustment_for_previous_scholars > (that this is not the perfect system is well known to everyone in the > committee which, as Mardetanha said, changes every year—it's still very hard > to implement a process which does not favor these who are used to write good > applications if we don't draw lots). > > We had to start the scholarship processes at some point due to visa > regulations, unfortunately before the program team could finish their > process. For that reason, the scholarship committee proposed to save some > money for people who could not hold their presentations without a > scholarship. But in the end, it's the WMF who thankfully manages all the > outcomes and the jury only evalutes the applications at some point. > > Best, > Martin/DerHexer > > > Von: Sjoerd de Bruin <[email protected]> > An: Wikimania general list (open subscription) > <[email protected]> > Gesendet: 17:15 Freitag, 1.Juni 2018 > Betreff: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 146, Issue 1 > > I think that is already included in scholarship applications, if I remember > correctly. > > Greetings, > > Sjoerd de Bruin > >> Op 1 jun. 2018, om 17:06 heeft Julie Workman <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> het volgende geschreven: >> >> Is there at present any metric by which previous scholarship attendees are >> judged on their dissemination of Wikimania experiences after the conference? >> The complaint being brought up is not only about awardees getting repeat >> scholarships, but failing to enrich their communities afterwards with what >> they learned / what it was like / who they met / what they will do now. With >> a limited number of scholarships available, it is true that the attendees >> are expected to share their good fortune with those who couldn't attend. >> >> If nothing like that is in place, could it not be added? For example, a >> field on the application: "were you awarded a scholarship last year (and >> attended)?" "If yes, please describe (and provide links where possible) to >> the activities and discussions you organised with your community regarding >> your experience at Wikimania". If a sufficiently good and detailed response >> is not provided, the application can receive a lower score (or possibly be >> discarded...? I'm not au fait with the process). >> >> Julia W >> >> On 1 June 2018 at 13:00, <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Send Wikimania-l mailing list submissions to >> [email protected]. org >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/ mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> wikimania-l-request@lists. wikimedia.org >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wikimania-l-owner@lists. wikimedia.org >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wikimania-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Update on Wikimania '18 (Pine W) >> 2. Re: Update on Wikimania '18 (cs) >> >> >> ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ---------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 18:31:08 -0700 >> From: Pine W <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" >> <[email protected]. org >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Update on Wikimania '18 >> Message-ID: >> <CAF= dyJinVGV5eM7vBi7SFDLcqyLP4yakD [email protected]. >> com <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter >> the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF >> presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a >> one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and >> have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens >> with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of >> financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system >> is a perennial point of friction. >> >> Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review >> of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? With >> WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers >> spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would >> make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to >> synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring >> that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time >> that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship >> system could be reviewed to consider the strategic priorities for >> scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't >> envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that >> some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align funding with the WMF >> strategic plan and with SMART goals. >> >> Pine >> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/User:Pine >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine> ) >> >> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> > Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the >> > other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on >> > scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board >> > members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same old >> > faces year in, year out. >> > >> > Harry Mitchell >> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ <http://enwp.org/User:HJ> >> > +44 (0) 7507 536 971 >> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/ pipermail/wikimania-l/ >> attachments/20180531/42687ccd/ attachment-0001.html >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/attachments/20180531/42687ccd/attachment-0001.html>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 08:58:35 +0700 >> From: cs <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" >> <[email protected]. org >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Update on Wikimania '18 >> Message-ID: <28D68047-E5DC-4B96-BF0C- [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I have attended several Wikimanias. >> I would have thought that with the Wikipedias being voluntary >> contributed and managed projects, that the conference shoud have a sharp >> focus on attendance and presentations by the communities. >> However, this is not the case. Presentation time is, IMO, excessively >> allocated to various speakers from the salaried staff. >> This has been brought up on several occasions. >> In some instances, some presentations have had almost duplicate content. >> Many Foundations take on a promotional aspect of the WMF’s work. >> The credit for the entire movement should go to the community >> volunteers. >> >> Kudpung >> >> > On 01, Jun2018, at 08:31, Pine W <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > >> > Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter >> > the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF >> > presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a >> > one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and >> > have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens >> > with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of >> > financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship >> > system is a perennial point of friction. >> > >> > Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review >> > of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? >> > With WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and >> > volunteers spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think >> > that it would make sense to do this type of review, which might be >> > possible to synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested >> > in ensuring that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the >> > money and time that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that >> > the scholarship system could be reviewed to consider the strategic >> > priorities for scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART >> > goals. I don't envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, >> > but I think that some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align >> > funding with the WMF strategic plan and with SMART goals. >> > >> > Pine >> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/User:Pine >> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> > wiki/User:Pine <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine>> ) >> > >> > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >> > Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the >> > other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on >> > scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board >> > members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same >> > old faces year in, year out. >> > >> > Harry Mitchell >> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ <http://enwp.org/User:HJ> <http://enwp.org/User:HJ >> > <http://enwp.org/User:HJ>> >> > +44 (0) 7507 536 971 >> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell >> > >> > ______________________________ _________________ >> > Wikimania-l mailing list >> > [email protected]. org <mailto:[email protected]> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/ mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/ pipermail/wikimania-l/ >> attachments/20180601/da922580/ attachment-0001.html >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/attachments/20180601/da922580/attachment-0001.html>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected]. org <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/ mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 146, Issue 1 >> ****************************** ************* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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