So  in other word’s, The WMF  ‘does’ have the final  say  in  who  is awarded a 
scholarship. I was   not  aware that  this is the case. Thank  you  Ellie , for 
 the clarification.
I do believe the program selection  should be begun  earlier and that  there 
should be some active collaboration between the scholarships approvals 
systems(s) and those who do  the  program selections.

Kudpung

> On 07, Jun2018, at 00:59, Ellie Young <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I'd like to clarify this a bit more:  
> 
> The Scholarship committee reviews and scores the applications that make it 
> into Phase 2.  The WMF staff uses these
> scores to distribute the scholarships evenly among the groups.  These scores 
> are NOT "mere recommendations".  Also, if any person who gets their paper 
> accepted to the program and cannot attend because they did not receive a 
> scholarship, the program committee can recommend that we offer them support  
> via the Wikimania budget.
> 
> Ellie Young
> WMF Event Manager
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:12 PM, cs <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
> wrote:
> I am surprised to  learn that  the jury’s selection is a mere recommendation 
> to  the WMF.  I  was not  aware of that.
> I’m  not  sure that  the program teams are ideally  constituted. The choice 
> of presentations and/or allocations of time slots for  various  activities 
> has often left  me baffled.
> 
> Kudpung
> 
> 
>> On 05, Jun2018, at 22:19, DerHexer <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's true: 
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Wikimania_scholars/Reviewer%27s_guide#Score_adjustment_for_previous_scholars
>>  
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Wikimania_scholars/Reviewer%27s_guide#Score_adjustment_for_previous_scholars>
>>  (that this is not the perfect system is well known to everyone in the 
>> committee which, as Mardetanha said, changes every year—it's still very hard 
>> to implement a process which does not favor these who are used to write good 
>> applications if we don't draw lots).
>> 
>> We had to start the scholarship processes at some point due to visa 
>> regulations, unfortunately before the program team could finish their 
>> process. For that reason, the scholarship committee proposed to save some 
>> money for people who could not hold their presentations without a 
>> scholarship. But in the end, it's the WMF who thankfully manages all the 
>> outcomes and the jury only evalutes the applications at some point.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Martin/DerHexer
>> 
>> 
>> Von: Sjoerd de Bruin <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> An: Wikimania general list (open subscription) 
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>> Gesendet: 17:15 Freitag, 1.Juni 2018
>> Betreff: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 146, Issue 1
>> 
>> I think that is already included in scholarship applications, if I remember 
>> correctly.
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Sjoerd de Bruin
>> 
>>> Op 1 jun. 2018, om 17:06 heeft Julie Workman <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> Is there at present any metric by which previous scholarship attendees are 
>>> judged on their dissemination of Wikimania experiences after the 
>>> conference? The complaint being brought up is not only about awardees 
>>> getting repeat scholarships, but failing to enrich their communities 
>>> afterwards with what they learned / what it was like / who they met / what 
>>> they will do now. With a limited number of scholarships available, it is 
>>> true that the attendees are expected to share their good fortune with those 
>>> who couldn't attend.
>>> 
>>> If nothing like that is in place, could it not be added? For example, a 
>>> field on the application: "were you awarded a scholarship last year (and 
>>> attended)?" "If yes, please describe (and provide links where possible) to 
>>> the activities and discussions you organised with your community regarding 
>>> your experience at Wikimania". If a sufficiently good and detailed response 
>>> is not provided, the application can receive a lower score (or possibly be 
>>> discarded...? I'm not au fait with the process).
>>> 
>>> Julia W
>>> 
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>>> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 18:31:08 -0700
>>> From: Pine W <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)"
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>>> Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter
>>> the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF
>>> presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a
>>> one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and
>>> have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens
>>> with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of
>>> financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system
>>> is a perennial point of friction.
>>> 
>>> Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review
>>> of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? With
>>> WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers
>>> spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would
>>> make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to
>>> synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring
>>> that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time
>>> that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship
>>> system could be reviewed to consider the strategic priorities for
>>> scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't
>>> envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that
>>> some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align funding with the WMF
>>> strategic plan and with SMART goals.
>>> 
>>> Pine
>>> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/User:Pine 
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine> )
>>> 
>>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the
>>> > other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on
>>> > scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board
>>> > members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same 
>>> > old
>>> > faces year in, year out.
>>> >
>>> > Harry Mitchell
>>> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ <http://enwp.org/User:HJ>
>>> > +44 (0) 7507 536 971
>>> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell
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>>> From: cs <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)"
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>>> I  have attended several  Wikimanias. 
>>> I  would have thought  that  with  the Wikipedias being voluntary 
>>> contributed and managed projects, that  the conference shoud have a sharp 
>>> focus on  attendance and presentations by  the communities.
>>> However, this is not  the case. Presentation  time is, IMO, excessively  
>>> allocated to  various  speakers from the salaried staff.
>>> This has been brought  up  on several  occasions.
>>> In some instances, some presentations have had almost  duplicate  content.
>>> Many  Foundations take on  a promotional aspect  of the WMF’s work.
>>> The credit  for  the entire movement  should go  to  the community 
>>> volunteers.
>>> 
>>> Kudpung
>>> 
>>> > On 01, Jun2018, at 08:31, Pine W <[email protected] 
>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter 
>>> > the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF 
>>> > presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was 
>>> > a one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, 
>>> > and have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what 
>>> > happens with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in 
>>> > terms of financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the 
>>> > scholarship system is a perennial point of friction.
>>> > 
>>> > Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review 
>>> > of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? 
>>> > With WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and 
>>> > volunteers spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think 
>>> > that it would make sense to do this type of review, which might be 
>>> > possible to synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested 
>>> > in ensuring that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the 
>>> > money and time that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that 
>>> > the scholarship system could be reviewed to consider the strategic 
>>> > priorities for scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART 
>>> > goals. I don't envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, 
>>> > but I think that some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align 
>>> > funding with the WMF strategic plan and with SMART goals.
>>> > 
>>> > Pine
>>> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/User:Pine 
>>> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/ 
>>> > wiki/User:Pine <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine>> )
>>> > 
>>> > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <[email protected] 
>>> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] 
>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>> > Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the 
>>> > other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on 
>>> > scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board 
>>> > members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same 
>>> > old faces year in, year out. 
>>> > 
>>> > Harry Mitchell
>>> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ <http://enwp.org/User:HJ> 
>>> > <http://enwp.org/User:HJ <http://enwp.org/User:HJ>>
>>> > +44 (0) 7507 536 971
>>> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell
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