Unfortunately, almost every tool can be used as a weapon. Cheers,
Peter From: Wikimania-l [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gnangarra Sent: 29 July 2018 04:45 To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Friendly Space Policy (was: Sad news) I think the problem is that many Wikimedians are very good at interpreting policies in to definite rules to suit their point of view, and we struggle to recognise that the spirit of a policy is more important. When that happens we write more complexity in to policies rather than keeping it simple and giving trust that we can reach reasonable outcomes. Simply stated the policy is; everyone should have the ability to contribute without fear, intimidation, or recrimination. everything that comes next become the tools for which to harness the power of these policies, there is never going to be a simple set of words to guide us because once we accept that someone has been harmed we then expect a response that lays blame with another who intern must be punished. Its this flip side that make the policy a joke because someone now has their ability to contribute laced with fear(I can say anything), intimidation(I cant do that again or I'll be sent packing) and recrimination(I cant do what I'm here to do and I wont be able to attend any future events). The safe space policy isnt meant to quell discussion, temper a persons enthusiasm, nor change their culture, it there solely to enable everyone to safely and freely contribute. On 29 July 2018 at 02:52, Lodewijk <[email protected]> wrote: I hope that the WMF Trust & Safety dept will soon some with a roadmap how to effectively evaluate this process with examples we can actually discuss without violating privacy. (I made some suggestions in person, but will leave it in their capable hands to take a long overdue leadership role in this conversation). My main concern is that I heard too many people ridiculing the friendly space policy in the past week - mostly people who would likely never violate it, but seemingly no longer feel empowered by it, feel no longer that it represents a best practice they should hold people to. Maybe the phrasing was never to the standards that they held, maybe it is a recent development. But it's high time to review things together with the wider community. If a policy like this is not supported broadly, I doubt it will ever be a success. Lodewijk On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 5:29 PM Deryck Chan <[email protected]> wrote: I look forward to "hug me" / "don't touch me" stickers being issued next year Q(^_^Q) Indeed we do "don't photograph me" stickers already so "personal space needed" stickers sound like a natural extension. Deryck (multicultural / "hug me") On 27 July 2018 at 15:31, Sam Oyeyele <[email protected]> wrote: I believe the best way to avoid this kind of situation in the future, is to have tags specifically to indicate a need for personal space or something. >From what I have read so far, Romaine has done nothing "out of the ordinary" >(based on my cultural perspective); and he doesn't deserve this kind of >treatment/sanction/punishment/etc. I should also state that I have met Romaine a couple of times, and he is indeed a very nice man, who always means the best. Sam. On 25 Jul 2018 16:41, Deryck Chan <[email protected]> wrote: This is the second time I remember that the Friendly Space Policy was invoked to remove a Wikimania attendee from a situation, presumably because of in-person misconduct on their part, where the removal was made public but the reason of removal was kept secret. The problem with such secretive invocations of Friendly Space is that it is very difficult, as Reem and others have pointed out, to not see this as a punishment. I understand that it is very difficult to balance the specific, personal sensitivities and cultural preferences of several hundred people from different cultures. But as this discussion has shown, it is counter-productive to use Friendly Space this way, because other Wikimaniacs are left worrying what the appropriate behaviour is supposed to be. I don't know the details of this incident because it wasn't public. But from what I know of Romaine from previous Wikimanias, I'm disappointed that this incident couldn't have been handled behind the scenes with T&S and the people involved. The fact that Romaine felt the need to go public about his removal as an organiser showed mis-handling of process. Well, actually the previous time was 6 years ago, so maybe we're doing well. We did try reforming the friendly space policy around 2013-14 but couldn't agree on something better at the time... The doors of improvement always stay open for the Wikimedia movement. --Deryck On 20 July 2018 at 11:28, James Alexander <[email protected]> wrote: Hey all, I am, as always, sorry, that this has spilled out into the public sphere more I do not think that is ever a good thing as discussion of specific situations like this only serves to increase discomfort, make people feel even less safe and make victims of everyone. Event Safety and Friendly Spaces is a top priority of any conference whether big or small as well as one of the issues that can be most difficult to deal with since it is always a balance of situations, feelings and people who are frequently acting in good faith. I can confirm that Trust & Safety was involved here and, like most people who are working on Friendly Spaces, we never aim to take serious actions if we are able to avoid it. Most issues are dealt with by local attendees or organizing volunteers with only short reminders or chats and escalate from there only as things become more serious or repetitive. The same is true for T&S who generally doesn't even become involved until it is a larger situation. I will admit that whenever a local organizer or volunteer is involved the seriousness is increased some because they are, rightly or wrongly, seen as in a position of influence and power which amplifies any and all issues that arise. It does not, however, change the focus of trying to take the least amount of actions possible. I will be the first to admit (and did when talking to Romaine yesterday) that he has done an enormous amount of great work for events and nothing we did was meant to demean that even if it felt that way to Romaine. Like any Friendly Spaces actions nothing we did was meant as a punishment (even though, again, I understand it can feel that way) but was done because we felt they were the best thing to do for event safety. I can certainly guarantee that the decision was not taken lightly. As many have noted the entire story is not out in the open and, honestly, won't be. I know that won't make everyone happy but unfortunately is almost always going to be the case for specific cases. If you want to speak about process questions and the like, the team (including myself) is certainly willing to do so. We have a table on the 2nd floor or you can grab one of us around the conference. 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