Lodeweik, I never mentioned nor hinted at second rank participants. If you think some are, that's your problem but don't misquote me. Thank you.
Kudpung > On 6 Aug 2018, at 14:17, Gnangarra <[email protected]> wrote: > > The policy can not be expected to wholly and solely ensure the safety of > attendees, likewise stickers arent going to be readily identifiable in all > circumstances. Then ask yourself the question what if someone who wears a > dont photograph me lanyard is walking around photographing other people. > There are more solutions to ensure a person isn't in a shot than preventing > someone from taking the photograph. > > Placing yourself in a position to prevent others participating is an issue, I > can understand and respect that not everyone comes from a society where they > have a benevolent government who encourages the dissemination of free > knowledge. A safe space policy has to include practical considerations as > part of that and we as end users need to also take a level of personal > responsibility to ensure that everyone can be part of any event, which is why > I raised the example. > > > > > > On 6 August 2018 at 14:37, effe iets anders <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > This is going wildly of topic. But... > The decency? > > I don't think i would agree with your characterization that people who don't > like to give a carte blanche to everyone to publish (sometimes not very > elegant) photos of them should treat themselves as second rank participants. > > Especially in the context of a discussion around a friendly space policy, i > am of the opinion that this would be a dangerous direction. > > Lodewijk > > On Sun, Aug 5, 2018, 23:24 cs <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > In which case, those people should have the decency to not present > themselves anywhere where a photo shoot or video recording is very likely to > take place. Or politely take space at the back of the room and wear a > face mask. Personally, I don’t see why anyone should be embarrassed at > being part of a benevolent movement such as Wikipedia - have they > something disastrous to hide? In which case, perhaps they better not go > to Wikimania at all, and if they are scholarship recipients, give their > place over to someone else. > > Kudpung > >> On 06, Aug2018, at 10:18, Gnangarra <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> I was disappointed at the last Wikimania(london 2014) I went to with the >> number of people wearing dont take my photo stickers taking up positions at >> the front of the room or near speakers that made it hard to get images of >> the room and record the event. >> >> On 6 August 2018 at 11:11, cs <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> I’ve been to a great many international conferences in my career - >> but not so many since I retired. I can’t recall people wearing >> ‘Don’t touch me’, ‘Don’t photo me’, ‘Don’t come near me’, ‘Don’t talk >> to me’ badges. Do they do it nowadays already? >> >> We’ll porbably never know the details of the incident that sparked all >> this off but do I think it is getting out of proportion. >> >> Kudpung >> >>> On 04, Aug2018, at 02:07, Pine W <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks, James. I think that "clarifying the distinction between friendly >>> spaces situations and Trust & Safety issues" is a good idea. >>> >>> A specific suggestion that was made earlier in this thread which sounded >>> like a good idea to me was to have an indicator, somewhat like we currently >>> do for "Photos OK" or "Photos not OK", for "friendly touch OK" or "friendly >>> touch not OK". >>> >>> I would also like to see the upcoming review of the relevant policies >>> include discussions of who should be responsible for them (I'm confused >>> about why WMF is in charge of these issues at events instead of the local >>> organizers) and the level of transparency regarding reports and >>> investigations. >>> >>> Thanks for your attention to these issues. >>> >>> Pine >>> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine> ) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> GN. >> Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page >> <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page> >> WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra >> <http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra> >> Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com >> <http://gnangarra.redbubble.com/> >> Out now: A.Gaynor, P. Newman and P. Jennings (eds.), Never Again: >> Reflections on Environmental Responsibility after Roe 8, UWAP, 2017. Order >> here >> <https://uwap.uwa.edu.au/products/never-again-reflections-on-environmental-responsibility-after-roe-8>. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> > > > > > -- > GN. > Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page > <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page> > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > <http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra> > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > <http://gnangarra.redbubble.com/> > Out now: A.Gaynor, P. 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