As has in previous years been suggested if we want Wikimania to be truly inclusive and encourage more people to attend then the WMF should just extend the fundraising by a week and use that to subsidise the event making it more accessible to everyone. 1,000 particiants at 250€ is just an extra 250,000€ to collect, collecting enough to allow 200 scholarships would enable greater participation from more communities.
On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 03:16, Mykola Kozlenko <[email protected]> wrote: > In 2015, 2017 and 2018 we had Wikimanias in really upscale hotels. I can > perfectly understand why renting conference rooms and arranging catering > for all participants in a Sheraton or a Hilton is expensive. For instance, > Montréal experience in 2017 was pretty much worse 233 USD indeed given that > we were in a centrally-located Sheraton. > > This year we are having a Wikimania on a university campus. Yes, Stockholm > is an expensive city, but Montréal is not really cheap either. I can't > really understand how a university campus in Stockholm is more than 50% > more expensive than a Sheraton in Montréal. > > I don't say I want these costs unbundled, I am happy to pay for the full > experience, but with a price tag that high I would really like to know > where all this money will go. > > Best regards, > Mykola (NickK) > > --- Оригінальне повідомлення --- > Від кого: "Isarra Yos" <[email protected]> > Дата: 2 червня 2019, 18:19:17 > > On 01/06/2019 19:44, effe iets anders wrote: > > You're claiming that this year is a higher rate than usual, I don't > > think this is actually true. Some context: > > - 2016: 500 euro, but this included accommodation and full board > > - 2017: 315 CAD (~233 USD) > > - 2018: 275 USD > 2016 is indeed when it first went up, but even then the 500€ value was > fairly consistent with how much one could expect the whole thing to cost > when including fairly decent food and accommodation. What was concerning > was that then the cost stayed relatively high, without any of the > included stuff - if the 250€ is only the registration price, there's not > much to decouple. For instance, is there any food to not include? Lunch > being included has pretty much always been standard, for good reason, > and we're not doing breakfast and dinner for everyone in the first > place, are we? (As I recall, 2015 did include dinner, though, which may > indicate part of why it was also more expensive.) And even in terms of > fanciness, I'm not sure how much value that has, or if they even have > been meaningfully more so than they used to be. Comparing to the > Wikiconference USA/NA events I attended some of the same years (I don't > think any were over $50, definitely not more than $100), the Wikimanias > were mostly just... bigger. Higher volume. > > For reference, prior wikimanias cost the following for Wikimedians: > 2015: $952014: £50.002013: $452012: $352011: $452010: 30-40€2009: $452008: > $452007: $40-602006: $902005 I can't find, but it was the first and thus > organised a bit differently > > So what happened? How is 250€ now not a lot of money? The first > Wikimania I attended was in 2012 and my entire budget was $500, which > was basically my holiday budget for the year. I was a student from a > poor background, and a lot of our contributors are students. Quite a few > of our contributors aren't exactly upper class, or from countries with > great conversion rates. Should we really be requiring them to get > special support now to even register for the main event for what is > supposed to be a world-wide, inclusive movement? > > 250€ is a quite a lot of money. Other things to attend may still cost > around the same or more, but if we also need to spend it on those > things, we're not going to have that money left to spend on the > registration as well. > > -I > > https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registrationhttps://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikimania-2014-registration-11063436035https://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registrationhttps://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration > (and the same page > on other > years)https://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Registration&oldid=5931 > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing > [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > -- GN. Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com Out now: A.Gaynor, P. Newman and P. Jennings (eds.), *Never Again: Reflections on Environmental Responsibility after Roe 8*, UWAP, 2017. Order here <https://uwap.uwa.edu.au/products/never-again-reflections-on-environmental-responsibility-after-roe-8> .
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