For us in Portugal joining wikimedia, even in a relatively close city like Stockholm, without a scholarship stands at a minimum cost of 1000€, which really is a prohibitive cost for the great majority of people here, corresponding to way more than a regular full month wage (two minimum wages, actually).
25% of that cost corresponding to fees that even wikimedia volunteers have to pay does seem quite obscene to me. If a significant amount of the cost is going to fancy luxury hotels and parties - those last ones barred to wikimedians below 18 years, in this years event - this really should be something to be reviewed. Also, I agree that it is quite difficult to understand such an high fee in this year wikimania, where most of the stuff seems to be organized on campus. Paulo A segunda, 3 de jun de 2019, 00:32, Gnangarra <[email protected]> escreveu: > As has in previous years been suggested if we want Wikimania to be truly > inclusive and encourage more people to attend then the WMF should just > extend the fundraising by a week and use that to subsidise the event making > it more accessible to everyone. 1,000 particiants at 250€ is just an > extra 250,000€ to collect, collecting enough to allow 200 scholarships > would enable greater participation from more communities. > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 03:16, Mykola Kozlenko <[email protected]> wrote: > >> In 2015, 2017 and 2018 we had Wikimanias in really upscale hotels. I can >> perfectly understand why renting conference rooms and arranging catering >> for all participants in a Sheraton or a Hilton is expensive. For instance, >> Montréal experience in 2017 was pretty much worse 233 USD indeed given that >> we were in a centrally-located Sheraton. >> >> This year we are having a Wikimania on a university campus. Yes, >> Stockholm is an expensive city, but Montréal is not really cheap either. I >> can't really understand how a university campus in Stockholm is more than >> 50% more expensive than a Sheraton in Montréal. >> >> I don't say I want these costs unbundled, I am happy to pay for the full >> experience, but with a price tag that high I would really like to know >> where all this money will go. >> >> Best regards, >> Mykola (NickK) >> >> --- Оригінальне повідомлення --- >> Від кого: "Isarra Yos" <[email protected]> >> Дата: 2 червня 2019, 18:19:17 >> >> On 01/06/2019 19:44, effe iets anders wrote: >> > You're claiming that this year is a higher rate than usual, I don't >> > think this is actually true. Some context: >> > - 2016: 500 euro, but this included accommodation and full board >> > - 2017: 315 CAD (~233 USD) >> > - 2018: 275 USD >> 2016 is indeed when it first went up, but even then the 500€ value was >> fairly consistent with how much one could expect the whole thing to cost >> when including fairly decent food and accommodation. What was concerning >> was that then the cost stayed relatively high, without any of the >> included stuff - if the 250€ is only the registration price, there's not >> much to decouple. For instance, is there any food to not include? Lunch >> being included has pretty much always been standard, for good reason, >> and we're not doing breakfast and dinner for everyone in the first >> place, are we? (As I recall, 2015 did include dinner, though, which may >> indicate part of why it was also more expensive.) And even in terms of >> fanciness, I'm not sure how much value that has, or if they even have >> been meaningfully more so than they used to be. Comparing to the >> Wikiconference USA/NA events I attended some of the same years (I don't >> think any were over $50, definitely not more than $100), the Wikimanias >> were mostly just... bigger. Higher volume. >> >> For reference, prior wikimanias cost the following for Wikimedians: >> 2015: $952014: £50.002013: $452012: $352011: $452010: 30-40€2009: $452008: >> $452007: $40-602006: $902005 I can't find, but it was the first and thus >> organised a bit differently >> >> So what happened? How is 250€ now not a lot of money? The first >> Wikimania I attended was in 2012 and my entire budget was $500, which >> was basically my holiday budget for the year. I was a student from a >> poor background, and a lot of our contributors are students. Quite a few >> of our contributors aren't exactly upper class, or from countries with >> great conversion rates. Should we really be requiring them to get >> special support now to even register for the main event for what is >> supposed to be a world-wide, inclusive movement? >> >> 250€ is a quite a lot of money. Other things to attend may still cost >> around the same or more, but if we also need to spend it on those >> things, we're not going to have that money left to spend on the >> registration as well. >> >> -I >> >> https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registrationhttps://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikimania-2014-registration-11063436035https://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registrationhttps://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration >> (and the same page >> on other >> years)https://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Registration&oldid=5931 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing >> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> > > > -- > GN. > Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > Out now: A.Gaynor, P. 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