I partially agree on that point.

The community prefer to attend local Wikicon (there is one in German language, 
another in French language and the last one in Italian language) or more 
specific meetings like Hackathons or Eduwiki conferences or Glam conferences.

Having every three or four years a Wikimania in Europe gives the opportunity to 
meet a larger number of Wikipedians but it’s not the best for the community as 
the main language is English. It is preferred by a specific target of people 
but not by all people.

Wikimedia CH recently has taken the direction of sustainability and climate 
change and every year the scholarships are assigned to travel only within a 
specific range.

This year no scholarships for Wikimania in Singapore while more scholarships 
for the local Wikicon or for other events based in Europe (Hackathon will be in 
Athens and the Eduwiki conference in Beograd).

Let’s say that a rotation is a good solution but having local Wikimanias 
doesn’t make sense because there are already regional conferences for that.

Kind regards


--
Ilario Valdelli
Innovation and Education programme manager
Wikimedia CH
Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre
Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera
Wikipedia: Ilario
Skype: valdelli
Tel: +41764821371
http://www.wikimedia.ch

From: Philip Kopetzky <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 8:05 PM
To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) <[email protected]>
Subject: [Wikimania-l] Re: Wikimania 2024 will be hosted in …

I can only second what Jan-Bart has written. There already seems to be a change 
in the way people attend Wikimania. Many communities from Europe won't send 
anyone to Singapore, but will probably attend Krakow.

Wouldn't it be time to acknowledge the change in format towards a regional 
conference with an international focus, rather than a global event where we fly 
a few hundred people in for a few days, in times where pandemics and global 
climate emergencies don't seem as far off as they did even 5 years ago?

Best regards, Philip

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 at 18:58, Jan-Bart de Vreede 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi All

Thanks Phoebe and the Wikimania Steering Committee for organising the selection 
process and of course congratulations to the team in Poland who are going to 
organise a great Wikimania.

(Disclaimer: I have been privileged enough to have been able to attend many a 
WIkimania, and am perhaps one of the worst people in the world to write the 
text below)

Reading your comment on hopefully announcing the Wikimania hosts for 2025 and 
2026 soon makes me wonder if we are not overlooking a fundamental discussion 
with regards to the continued existence of Wikimania as it currently takes 
place. Are we going to continue to annually organise a global event, flying 
people from all over the world to a location which limits physical 
participation to those that are able to do so (regardless of the few 
scholarships we manage to distribute for volunteers)?

Would it not be a good idea to start with revisiting our goals (for example: 
reconnecting, exchanging experiences and sharing cool projects) and start 
thinking of alternatives to the current Wikimania set up? It would also be 
interesting to match these goals with the increase in regional engagement which 
is taking place across our movement.

 I have the feeling I might have missed some earlier discusion on this, but I 
am not seeing much change in the Wikimania concept in a time that probably 
demands change both from a sustainability as well as an equity perspective.

And again I am probably not the best person to point this out (coming from an 
incredibly privileged position) and I love wikimania and I love seeing all of 
you on a regular basis… but at the same time I have noticed that we are all 
trying to adjust to a changing world…and it would seem that a movement as 
unique as ours should be able to come up with a better alternative?

I hope that people take this mail in the spirit that it is intended and if I 
can contribute to facilitating this discussion I am of course more than willing 
to do so!

Jan-Bart de Vreede
(Views expressed in this email are my personal views)



On 20 Mar 2023, at 16:32, phoebe ayers 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I am very excited to share that Wikimania 2024 will be hosted in the city of 
Kraków in Poland<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak%C3%B3w>! [1] Kraków had a 
strong 
submission<https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2024:Expressions_of_Interest/Central_Eastern_Europe,_Poland,_Cracow>
 with a collaborative design and an experienced, enthusiastic team supporting 
it [2]. At the crossroads of history, culture, and technology, we are confident 
that the impact of Wikimania will be great for our projects, the movement in 
general, and especially, local communities in the Central and Eastern European 
(CEE) region. Read more on 
Diff<https://diff.wikimedia.org/2023/03/20/announcing-the-host-of-wikimania-in-2024/>
 [3].

Bringing our movement’s beloved event to life is not simple and we took many 
criteria into consideration. We were grateful for the expressions of 
interest<https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2024_expressions_of_interest>
 received for hosting Wikimania in 2024, 2025, and beyond [4]. Announcing host 
cities this far in advance is a new 
approach<https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/10/27/wikimania-welcoming-expressions-of-interest-for-2024/>
 to organizing Wikimania we are exploring [5]. In addition to the support we 
provide as the stewards of 
Wikimania<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee>, together with 
the Foundation’s Movement Communications 
team<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Movement_Communications>, 
we see great value in facilitating more time for organizers so they can learn 
from each other in practice and strengthen their capacity [6], [7]. We hope to 
announce the hosts of Wikimania in 2025 and 2026 in the coming months or at 
Wikimania 2023 in Singapore.

Once again, wholehearted congratulations to the 2024 Wikimania team. We know 
you will do an excellent job welcoming our global family to your timeless city. 
And to our global family, we hope that you are as excited as we are returning 
to the vibrant CEE region after 14 years. Looking forward to collaborating with 
you all on wiki and in person.

My best wishes for all,
Phoebe (Wikimania Steering Committee)

On behalf of the Wikimania Steering Committee and the Wikimedia Foundation 
Movement Communications team
Translations available on Diff

[1] Kraków is a hybrid gem of history and modernity: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak%C3%B3w
[2] Kraków expression of interest: 
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2024:Expressions_of_Interest/Central_Eastern_Europe,_Poland,_Cracow
[3] Read more about this announcement on Diff: 
https://diff.wikimedia.org/2023/03/20/announcing-the-host-of-wikimania-in-2024/
[4] 11 expressions of interest received: 
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2024_expressions_of_interest
[5] The call for hosting Wikimania in 2024, 2025 and beyond: 
https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/10/27/wikimania-welcoming-expressions-of-interest-for-2024/
[6] The Wikimania Steering Committee: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee
[7] The Wikimedia Foundation Movement Communications team 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Movement_Communications

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