Hi Asaf, I have requested for the deleted article sent to me, I would be glad to have a call with you to go over that once I receive the emailed texts.
For me, due to the COVID-19 situation, I am available from 12 pm to 6 pm GMT Monday - Friday of each week. For the day it would depend on when I receive the emailed text. I would find the right time and fix it into your UTC +3 timezone. Regards, Justice. On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:47 PM Asaf Bartov <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay, yes, let's separate these two issues, because they are actually > quite distinct: > > 1. Notability is a yes/no question, which needs to be established (just > once, for the entire lifetime of the article) using only reliable sources, > dealing directly with the subject, but independent of the article subject. > (This was also covered in the training in Ghana.) > > 2. NPOV, on the other hand, is *not* a yes/no question, but a general bar > you have to meet *in each and every sentence of the article* (except inside > quotations etc.), and that can rely on all sorts of sources and even no > sources at all. (e.g. "X is a Ghanaian singer" is perfectly *neutral* even > without sources. It won't be enough to establish *notability*, but those > are separate questions.) > > I deliberately asked about NPOV, because I recognize that Notability is > made tougher to establish for African subjects because of relative paucity > of sources on the one hand, and possible bias on the other hand. This > person may or may not be notable -- I have no idea and haven't done > research myself -- but it is concerning that your article was also found to > be promotional. The reason I am concerned is that *even though* the two > questions are logically distinct and, properly, should be judged > separately, in practice if a patroller sees an article with what they > perceive as a blatantly promotional tone, they *would* be a lot more > suspicious of the article's notability as well. > > So, you can obtain the article text via [[WP:UND]], and then we can > perhaps schedule a call to rebiew it and have a discussion, and either fix > it if it needs fixing, or learn from it if it can't be fixed and look for > more notable subjects. I am generally flexible these days, and am in the > UTC+3 time zone. Are there days/times that would be particularly > convenient for you (plural, any of you who may be interested)? > > A. > > Asaf Bartov (he/him/his) > > Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the > sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > https://donate.wikimedia.org > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:13 PM Justice Okai-Allotey < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Asaf, >> >> Unfortunately, I don't have a save text of the article I wrote for >> Michael Aboya and no I wasn't paid to edit that article, I made a judgement >> of notability from what I saw about him online. >> >> Also, I made sure everything I wrote was from a neutral point of view, I >> sent it to a few experienced editors in our community to check my text if I >> had missed something and from the response, I got it wasn't promotional. >> For Michael Aboya I found so many articles from secondary sources speaking >> about him but it still got deleted because to those editors he should have >> done something major. He won a global photography competition so I thought >> that is something noteworthy to write about. >> >> I would be glad to get a refresher on NPOV but a lot of the times it has >> more to do with Notability and how to determine it within the several >> contexts. >> >> Regards, >> Justice. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 1:57 PM Asaf Bartov <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> As the article has already been deleted, I can't see and judge for >>> myself. But there was mention of promotional language in the discussion >>> about Michael Aboya, at least. Was there indeed promotional language? If >>> so, how come? I know for a fact you know how to write NPOV text, because I >>> remember personally demonstrating it in Ghana, with you in the room. Was >>> indeed a paid editing job? Did you not notice you were using non-NPOV >>> language? >>> >>> (If it's the latter, I am happy to offer a call where we can go over >>> this again -- perhaps even fix the article, if you have a saved copy -- to >>> make sure future efforts of yours don't end up with text that is >>> encyclopedically unacceptable.) >>> >>> I'm interested in helping resolve this. Obviously, resolving this can't >>> require breaking Wikipedia's rules, though. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> A. >>> >>> Asaf Bartov (he/him/his) >>> >>> Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities >>> >>> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >>> >>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share >>> in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! >>> https://donate.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 4:00 PM Justice Okai-Allotey < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I started a conversation on our Telegram chat group about getting my >>>> articles (User:Owula kpakpo) tagged for deletion by one editor ( >>>> User:Versace1608 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Versace1608>) and >>>> other editors like (User:Kwamevaughan) also expressed same sentiments about >>>> getting articles his written tagged for deletion. >>>> >>>> In other to settle this and get a community response to such issues in >>>> the future and how we can settle issues of notability criteria within our >>>> contest as Ghanaians. Another volunteer (User:Enock4seth) asked that it be >>>> shared here so we can properly document such discussions for later. >>>> >>>> Find links to the various articles under scrutiny below. Also, feel >>>> free to add any further information to this discussion so we can properly >>>> deal with it moving forward. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Justice. >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> >>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Draft:B4bonah >>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Draft:B4bonah> >>>> [2] >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Ghana >>>> [3] >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Camidoh >>>> [4] >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michael_Aboya >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Regards* >>>> *Justice Okai-Allotey* >>>> *Freelance Digital Marketer* >>>> >>>> Mobile: +233 (054) 039 4970 Skype: okai_allotey >>>> >>>> |Avenger - Urithi Labs <https://www.facebook.com/urithimedia/>| >>>> |Social Media Lead - Wikimedia Ghana User Group >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/WikimediaGhanaUG/>| >>>> |Linkedin: Justice Okai-Allotey >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/justice-okai-allotey-306b6354?trk=hp-identity-name> >>>> | Facebook: Justice Okai-Allotey <https://www.facebook.com/wyzzlewany> >>>> | Twitter: @Owula_Kpakpo <https://twitter.com/Owula_Kpakpo> | >>>> |Website: *https://about.me/okai-allotey >>>> <https://about.me/okai-allotey>*| >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-GH mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-gh >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-GH mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-gh >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Regards* >> *Justice Okai-Allotey* >> *Freelance Digital Marketer* >> >> Mobile: +233 (054) 039 4970 Skype: okai_allotey >> >> |Avenger - Urithi Labs <https://www.facebook.com/urithimedia/>| >> |Social Media Lead - Wikimedia Ghana User Group >> <https://www.facebook.com/WikimediaGhanaUG/>| >> |Linkedin: Justice Okai-Allotey >> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/justice-okai-allotey-306b6354?trk=hp-identity-name> >> | Facebook: Justice Okai-Allotey <https://www.facebook.com/wyzzlewany> >> | Twitter: @Owula_Kpakpo <https://twitter.com/Owula_Kpakpo> | >> |Website: *https://about.me/okai-allotey <https://about.me/okai-allotey>* >> | >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-GH mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-gh >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-GH mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-gh > -- *Regards* *Justice Okai-Allotey* *Freelance Digital Marketer* Mobile: +233 (054) 039 4970 Skype: okai_allotey |Avenger - Urithi Labs <https://www.facebook.com/urithimedia/>| |Social Media Lead - Wikimedia Ghana User Group <https://www.facebook.com/WikimediaGhanaUG/>| |Linkedin: Justice Okai-Allotey <https://www.linkedin.com/in/justice-okai-allotey-306b6354?trk=hp-identity-name> | Facebook: Justice Okai-Allotey <https://www.facebook.com/wyzzlewany> | Twitter: @Owula_Kpakpo <https://twitter.com/Owula_Kpakpo> | |Website: *https://about.me/okai-allotey <https://about.me/okai-allotey>*|
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