Asaf, I saw you are open for more to join. Is it possible to host about 5-7 people? I will join. I can also ask those who were debating in the Telegram group to join.
UTC+3 should be 3 hours ahead of Accra. (I think :D) Is 10 AM GMT which will be 1 PM UTC +3 *OR* 4 PM GMT which will be 7 PM UTC +3 ok for Thursday the 23 April? That should give Justice room to get the text. And for others to prepare or comment on the time. On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 4:08 PM, Justice Okai-Allotey <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Asaf, > > I have requested for the deleted article sent to me, I would be glad to > have a call with you to go over that once I receive the emailed texts. > > For me, due to the COVID-19 situation, I am available from 12 pm to 6 pm > GMT Monday - Friday of each week. For the day it would depend on when I > receive the emailed text. > > I would find the right time and fix it into your UTC +3 timezone. > > Regards, > Justice. > > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:47 PM Asaf Bartov <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Okay, yes, let's separate these two issues, because they are actually >> quite distinct: >> >> 1. Notability is a yes/no question, which needs to be established (just >> once, for the entire lifetime of the article) using only reliable sources, >> dealing directly with the subject, but independent of the article subject. >> (This was also covered in the training in Ghana.) >> >> 2. NPOV, on the other hand, is *not* a yes/no question, but a general bar >> you have to meet *in each and every sentence of the article* (except inside >> quotations etc.), and that can rely on all sorts of sources and even no >> sources at all. (e.g. "X is a Ghanaian singer" is perfectly *neutral* even >> without sources. It won't be enough to establish *notability*, but those >> are separate questions.) >> >> I deliberately asked about NPOV, because I recognize that Notability is >> made tougher to establish for African subjects because of relative paucity >> of sources on the one hand, and possible bias on the other hand. This >> person may or may not be notable -- I have no idea and haven't done >> research myself -- but it is concerning that your article was also found to >> be promotional. The reason I am concerned is that *even though* the two >> questions are logically distinct and, properly, should be judged >> separately, in practice if a patroller sees an article with what they >> perceive as a blatantly promotional tone, they *would* be a lot more >> suspicious of the article's notability as well. >> >> So, you can obtain the article text via [[WP:UND]], and then we can >> perhaps schedule a call to rebiew it and have a discussion, and either fix >> it if it needs fixing, or learn from it if it can't be fixed and look for >> more notable subjects. I am generally flexible these days, and am in the >> UTC+3 time zone. Are there days/times that would be particularly >> convenient for you (plural, any of you who may be interested)? >> >> A. >> >> Asaf Bartov (he/him/his) >> >> Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities >> >> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >> >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the >> sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! >> https://donate.wikimedia.org >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:13 PM Justice Okai-Allotey < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Asaf, >>> >>> Unfortunately, I don't have a save text of the article I wrote for >>> Michael Aboya and no I wasn't paid to edit that article, I made a judgement >>> of notability from what I saw about him online. >>> >>> Also, I made sure everything I wrote was from a neutral point of view, I >>> sent it to a few experienced editors in our community to check my text if I >>> had missed something and from the response, I got it wasn't promotional. >>> For Michael Aboya I found so many articles from secondary sources speaking >>> about him but it still got deleted because to those editors he should have >>> done something major. He won a global photography competition so I thought >>> that is something noteworthy to write about. >>> >>> I would be glad to get a refresher on NPOV but a lot of the times it has >>> more to do with Notability and how to determine it within the several >>> contexts. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Justice. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 1:57 PM Asaf Bartov <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> As the article has already been deleted, I can't see and judge for >>>> myself. But there was mention of promotional language in the discussion >>>> about Michael Aboya, at least. Was there indeed promotional language? If >>>> so, how come? I know for a fact you know how to write NPOV text, because I >>>> remember personally demonstrating it in Ghana, with you in the room. Was >>>> indeed a paid editing job? Did you not notice you were using non-NPOV >>>> language? >>>> >>>> (If it's the latter, I am happy to offer a call where we can go over >>>> this again -- perhaps even fix the article, if you have a saved copy -- to >>>> make sure future efforts of yours don't end up with text that is >>>> encyclopedically unacceptable.) >>>> >>>> I'm interested in helping resolve this. Obviously, resolving this >>>> can't require breaking Wikipedia's rules, though. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> A. >>>> >>>> Asaf Bartov (he/him/his) >>>> >>>> Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities >>>> >>>> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >>>> >>>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share >>>> in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! >>>> https://donate.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 4:00 PM Justice Okai-Allotey < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> I started a conversation on our Telegram chat group about getting my >>>>> articles (User:Owula kpakpo) tagged for deletion by one editor ( >>>>> User:Versace1608 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Versace1608>) and >>>>> other editors like (User:Kwamevaughan) also expressed same sentiments >>>>> about >>>>> getting articles his written tagged for deletion. >>>>> >>>>> In other to settle this and get a community response to such issues in >>>>> the future and how we can settle issues of notability criteria within our >>>>> contest as Ghanaians. Another volunteer (User:Enock4seth) asked that it be >>>>> shared here so we can properly document such discussions for later. >>>>> >>>>> Find links to the various articles under scrutiny below. Also, feel >>>>> free to add any further information to this discussion so we can properly >>>>> deal with it moving forward. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Justice. >>>>> >>>>> [1] >>>>> >>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Draft:B4bonah >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Draft:B4bonah> >>>>> [2] >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Ghana >>>>> [3] >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Camidoh >>>>> [4] >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michael_Aboya >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Regards* >>>>> *Justice Okai-Allotey* >>>>> *Freelance Digital Marketer* >>>>> >>>>> Mobile: +233 (054) 039 4970 Skype: okai_allotey >>>>> >>>>> |Avenger - Urithi Labs <https://www.facebook.com/urithimedia/>| >>>>> |Social Media Lead - Wikimedia Ghana User Group >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/WikimediaGhanaUG/>| >>>>> |Linkedin: Justice Okai-Allotey >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/justice-okai-allotey-306b6354?trk=hp-identity-name> >>>>> | Facebook: Justice Okai-Allotey >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/wyzzlewany> | Twitter: @Owula_Kpakpo >>>>> <https://twitter.com/Owula_Kpakpo> | >>>>> |Website: *https://about.me/okai-allotey >>>>> <https://about.me/okai-allotey>*| >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-GH mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-gh >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-GH mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-gh >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Regards* >>> *Justice Okai-Allotey* >>> *Freelance Digital Marketer* >>> >>> Mobile: +233 (054) 039 4970 Skype: okai_allotey >>> >>> |Avenger - Urithi Labs <https://www.facebook.com/urithimedia/>| >>> |Social Media Lead - Wikimedia Ghana User Group >>> <https://www.facebook.com/WikimediaGhanaUG/>| >>> |Linkedin: Justice Okai-Allotey >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/justice-okai-allotey-306b6354?trk=hp-identity-name> >>> | Facebook: Justice Okai-Allotey <https://www.facebook.com/wyzzlewany> >>> | Twitter: @Owula_Kpakpo <https://twitter.com/Owula_Kpakpo> | >>> |Website: *https://about.me/okai-allotey >>> <https://about.me/okai-allotey>*| >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-GH mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-gh >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-GH mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-gh >> > > > -- > *Regards* > *Justice Okai-Allotey* > *Freelance Digital Marketer* > > Mobile: +233 (054) 039 4970 Skype: okai_allotey > > |Avenger - Urithi Labs <https://www.facebook.com/urithimedia/>| > |Social Media Lead - Wikimedia Ghana User Group > <https://www.facebook.com/WikimediaGhanaUG/>| > |Linkedin: Justice Okai-Allotey > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/justice-okai-allotey-306b6354?trk=hp-identity-name> > | Facebook: Justice Okai-Allotey <https://www.facebook.com/wyzzlewany> | > Twitter: @Owula_Kpakpo <https://twitter.com/Owula_Kpakpo> | > |Website: *https://about.me/okai-allotey <https://about.me/okai-allotey>*| > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-GH mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-gh > -- Br, Sandister Tei Via mobile
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