Pine says no one suggested firing Gayle or Philippe; I think it's clear that whatever semantics are invoked, he did suggest just that. That's beyond inappropriate, in my view, and an example of the toxic environment that will lead to less fruitful communication from the WMF and not more. It's not in Pine's remit as a volunteer to propose that WMF employees be demoted, especially over something as picayune as administrator rights on a wiki with minimal traffic and less importance.
It's unfathomable that Pine thinks he should be writing to Gayle in this way, as if he were her superior and she was obligated to justify her continued employment to him personally. In multiple comments in recent posts Pine has implied that he has real-world expertise in this area... at this point, I find that implication unsupported by evidence of communication skills or the ability to appropriately judge context and audience reaction. It's not traditional to so directly call out a commenter on this list for posts that step over the line, particularly when they remain civil despite being wildly inappropriate. But I think we need to understand that the relationship between volunteers (especially those on the mailing lists) and the WMF is a two way street. We can't expect them to engage better with us if we permit, even by silence, this type of haranguing to continue unchallenged. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l