Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be obvious who was an employee at Wikimedia in the log, too. I posted the following to Wikipediocracy a few minutes ago:
" I may have misread which page the rev was on, or I misunderstood the person who said s/he revdeleted it in thinking that it had been revdeleted in the previous few minutes. This is exactly why I prefer public recorded forums. Now no one can go back to clear up the confusion. For all I know, I might have to apologize for a misunderstanding, and it would really suck if I somehow misrepresented things and didn't have any opportunity to straighten things out. Of course, it is entirely on me. I knew that the IRC channels weren't logged, and that it was a bannable offense to log them (for those who aren't familiar with IRC, this essentially means that you aren't supposed to save conversations there; in most channels that's A-OK, but on all of the most used wikipedia channels it seems to be disallowed). Next time I have a concern, I will take it to wikimedia-l or one of the other mailing lists. As this example also shows, one can't be sure that the revs on a page within Wikimedia's wikis themselves won't be redacted after-the-fact. I'm not expressing an opinion about whether stuff should be redacted or on what grounds, but I am asserting that it is possible to do so. " There is a discussion about this issue there, as well. It can be followed at the link I posted earlier. Here's the last page of the discussion that includes the comment above: http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4680&p=96600#p96600 ,Wil On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > Wil, the deletion log of the page in question is publicly visible. There > are no WMF employees who have deleted anything on that page, ever. This is > information you can check for yourself instead of relying on the words of > others. > > Risker > > > On 28 May 2014 12:23, Wil Sinclair <w...@wllm.com> wrote: > >> Hi Fae, if you're referring to the discussion on this page, then I >> think I make it quite clear why I won't engage with WMF employees >> going forward: >> http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4680&start=150. >> >> To be sure, I'm not used to having anyone from Lila's team immediately >> emailing her through their official company addresses as soon as I ask >> a question in a public forum. In this case, the WMF has made it quite >> clear that the IRC channels aren't official and/or sponsored by the >> WMF, and I was asking about community affairs WRT to those channels. >> So my question about why a user was kicked from the channel didn't >> have anything to do with the WMF. I still don't understand why this >> employee felt it was necessary to bring Lila's attention to "safety >> concerns" through official WMF employee channels, although I'm sure he >> or she felt it was the right thing to do and I've given them the >> benefit of the doubt that it was. Of course, I can't form my own >> independent opinion, since a WMF employee revdeleted the rev in >> question in the ~10 minutes between when it was first posted and when >> I tried clicking on the link. >> >> In any case, it should be made clear that the WMF did not ask me to >> disengage with employees and has not yet asked me to stop posting to >> Wikipediocracy directly. So far, the organization itself has respected >> my individuality; I can only appeal to everyone in the WP community >> and all WMF employees to do the same in the future. I will be engaging >> with the broader WP community in whatever way I can, but I've made the >> hard decision to limit my engagement with WMF employees to public, >> logged forums from now on. >> >> ,Wil >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 5:59 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On 28/05/2014, Lila Tretikov <l...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> > ... >> >> independent individual >> >> able to speak with his own voice and ask his own questions. He does not >> >> take direction from me. He will not work for the WMF or engage with the >> WMF >> >> employees. >> > >> > Thanks for making these distinctions. It is sad to see that your time >> > and energy is being used so early on in your introduction to the >> > Wikimedia community, in creating a political distance between yourself >> > and the public actions of your life partner, due to his casual >> > curiosity about Wikimedia projects. A curiosity that only manifested >> > itself shortly after the public announcement of your employment by the >> > Foundation board. >> > >> > I do not really understand the point being made about not "engaging" >> > with WMF employees, any active volunteer on Wikimedia projects should >> > and must be free to engage with WMF employees. The statement does not >> > appear to match actions over the last 24 hours, with Wil freely making >> > public comments about his dissatisfaction after conversations >> > (emails?) with some WMF employees. >> > >> > Thanks again for clarifying your position during this difficult start >> > to your engagement. >> > >> > Fae >> > -- >> > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
