Well, we were discussing IRC and my experience there in this thread, and many people were asking me to "wait." I find this interesting, because some on Wikipediocracy also asked me to "wait," with the significant exception that this was to "wait until I so something, then come back." In this case, it was "wait until you've read these articles and seen this stuff on-wiki, then come back." I agreed. They then checked in with me regularly (I think most of them thought I was going to bail), and once I had read the material I had agreed to read, we resumed the discussion. It's all here: It's all here on this thread: http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4531
But I think I've figured out a way for me to bring up topics without worrying about my level of experience with Wikipedia/Wikimedia. I'll start a new thread with my concerns and what I've come up with. ,Wil On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoeks...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> We are all interested in hearing all sides of every story here, aren't >> we? I'm starting to get the feeling that there are things that some >> people on this list don't want *anyone* to discuss. > > > Which things, and which people are you aiming at, particularly? > > --Martijn > > >> After all, you >> could simply ignore my messages or even filter them from your inbox, >> if you are so inclined. This impression has been troubling me greatly. >> Do you know that this is *precisely* what many on Wikipediocracy are >> saying about this list? Are they right? >> >> ,Wil >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Wil Sinclair <w...@wllm.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be >> >> obvious who was an employee at Wikimedia in the log, too. I posted the >> >> following to Wikipediocracy a few minutes ago: >> >> >> >> " >> >> I may have misread which page the rev was on, or I misunderstood the >> >> person who said s/he revdeleted it in thinking that it had been >> >> revdeleted in the previous few minutes. This is exactly why I prefer >> >> public recorded forums. Now no one can go back to clear up the >> >> confusion. For all I know, I might have to apologize for a >> >> misunderstanding, and it would really suck if I somehow misrepresented >> >> things and didn't have any opportunity to straighten things out. >> >> >> >> Of course, it is entirely on me. I knew that the IRC channels weren't >> >> logged, and that it was a bannable offense to log them (for those who >> >> aren't familiar with IRC, this essentially means that you aren't >> >> supposed to save conversations there; in most channels that's A-OK, >> >> but on all of the most used wikipedia channels it seems to be >> >> disallowed). Next time I have a concern, I will take it to wikimedia-l >> >> or one of the other mailing lists. As this example also shows, one >> >> can't be sure that the revs on a page within Wikimedia's wikis >> >> themselves won't be redacted after-the-fact. I'm not expressing an >> >> opinion about whether stuff should be redacted or on what grounds, but >> >> I am asserting that it is possible to do so. >> >> " >> >> >> >> There is a discussion about this issue there, as well. It can be >> >> followed at the link I posted earlier. Here's the last page of the >> >> discussion that includes the comment above: >> >> >> http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4680&p=96600#p96600 >> >> >> >> ,Wil >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Hi Wil, >> > >> > This is exactly why others have suggested that you slow down, and focus >> on >> > learning the basics of the Wikimedia projects and movements before >> jumping >> > into the hottest, most controversial issues. It takes time to develop the >> > understanding necessary to draw conclusions, especially in areas most >> > likely to erupt into drama and heated exchanges. >> > >> > To wit, I don't believe it can even be determined if someone is logging a >> > channel, and many people (including Wikimedians) log all of their >> channels. >> > Several Wikimedia-related channels are publicly logged. Other channels >> > prohibit people from publishing logs. >> > >> > It's also quite common knowledge that revisions can be deleted (by any >> > administrator, where they remain viewable by administrators) or >> suppressed >> > altogether (by users with Oversight rights). I think if you considered it >> > with a full possession of the facts, you would agree that this is good >> and >> > necessary. >> > >> > In any case, thank you Lila for your note! I appreciate that you have >> made >> > it clear you've seen the threads of the last few weeks and understand the >> > concerns that posters have described. >> > >> > ~Nathan >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
