Thanks Ed. The point I am trying to make is that the community can't make a good decision on this unless they understand the VisualEditor product as it exists today. I think pretty much everyone agrees it wasn't ready for default editing on 1 July 2013, but absent recent data most people would naturally base their opinions on their personal experiences from that very early period.
Risker/Anne On 3 June 2014 12:15, Edward Saperia <[email protected]> wrote: > Sounds like your suggestion would be a perfect contribution to some kind of > community discussion to try and decide a framework to decide if or when we > might want to re-deploy visual editor, much like Pine was suggesting in the > first place :-) > > *Edward Saperia* > Chief Coordinator Wikimania London <http://www.wikimanialondon.org> > > On 3 June 2014 16:37, Risker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 3 June 2014 09:05, Risker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 3 June 2014 03:02, ENWP Pine <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> Because VE has repeatedly been mentioned in this list as something > that > > >> is improving and may help us with acquisition of editors and their > > >> knowledge, I have started to draft an RfC about re-enabling VE on > > English > > >> Wikipedia. > > >> > > >> I am not proposing any specific outcome in the RfC. My goal is to set > up > > >> a framework which the community can use to decide which of several > > paths we > > >> would like to take. > > > > Okay, further to what I've said above....I think that before having an > RFC, > > we should seek community assistance to carry out a small-scale study so > > that there is some evidence on which people can base their decisions. > This > > is what I would suggest. > > > > - Create a "sample article" that includes an infobox, an image or two, > > some references, a template or two, and at least three editable > > sections. > > Editors will be asked to copy/paste this page into a personal sandbox > to > > carry out the experiment, so that their individual results can be > > observed > > through the page history, and problems can be more easily identified. > > - Identify about 15-20 *basic* editing tasks that an inexperienced > > editor would be likely to try. Some that come to mind: > > - Remove a word > > - Add a word > > - change spelling of a word > > - add a link to another article > > - remove a link to another article > > - move a sentence within a section > > - move a sentence across sections > > - add a [new] reference (multiple tests for website, newspaper, > book > > references) > > - edit an existing reference > > - re-use an existing reference > > - edit existing information in the infobox > > - add a reference to the infobox > > - add a new parameter to the infobox > > - add an image > > - remove an image > > - add an image description > > - modify an image description > > - add a commonly used template (such as {{fact}}) > > - remove a template > > - add several symbols and accented characters that are not > available > > on their standard keyboard (e.g., Euro and GBP symbols for US > > keyboards, > > accented characters commonly used in German or French) > > - Ask the "testers" to complete a chart outlining their results for > each > > of the editing tasks being tested, and any comments they have about > > each of > > these editing features. > > > > If we can persuade even 25 people to work through these basic tasks, and > > the results are aggregated well, the community will have some useful data > > on which to base next-steps decisions. It will also provide the > > VisualEditor team with comparatively unbiased information about their > > progress. The key emphasis in the experiment is that it should focus on > > straightforward, elementary editing activities rather than complex tasks, > > and the purpose is to see whether or not these features work in an > expected > > way or not. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Risker/Anne > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > [email protected] > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/[email protected]> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
