EXACTLY Who is this "community" of which we speak so glibly? Herein lies a large part of the problem. A few people claim to represent the many, based on "consensus" derived from a tiny sample. There is no one community, there are several, depending on who wants to make a point. Clique may be a better description in many cases. Peter Southwood.
-----Original Message----- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of John Lewis Sent: 11 August 2014 01:05 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you The people who were actually responsible were the community. Erik was acting in a preventative role to prevent further disruption not punish administrators. The community. couldn't take no for an answer and what has happened? * Wheel/edit wars * A new user right to prevent disruption * A priviledge has been revoked on dewiki * A user has been desysoped by the community for no reason on dewiki And who are we blaming? Erik. Why? Because we are a bunch of stubborn children. We don't get what we want so we are kicking and screaming to get it but in the end; we don't and we then accuse our parent (WMF) of being too harsh, mean and taking away something we like but do not deserve. To be honest - until we as a community learn we are not the overlords, the masters, god of Wikimedia, we can work to building a real encyclopedia with awesome feature where are all work in a good environment and get on as a community and Foundation. I am not saying the WMF is perfect and is not in the wrong; they certainly have some blame to take and I will come onto that shortly, but we can not blame the Foundation for revoking something we clearly do not deserve. > Erik, While I will say you have not been communicating stuff the best you can and this new user right was proxy deployed by Tim and an advocate and not your self - you mean well and I see this. I agree with everything you have done so far as a matter of fact. Fabrice, Have you attempted to start any discussions with communities in exactly why they don't want Media Viewer and how exactly it causes so much dispute that it requires Erik to proxy intervene? It not, please do so. In a short conclusion - I feel both parties have acted inappropriately and our bitching at each other does far than solve it. The WMF had to implement a new right and revoke dewiki's access to their site wide js page because of their refusal to accept what the WMF said and want to create a performance killer hack to 'fix it' at the cost of performance. Why did dewiki have to do this? The WMF refusing to disable Media Viewer. From what I see, the WMF have backed up by they refused to do this for Wikipedias and their compromise for Commons is acceptable. I have yet to see a valid reason why Media Viewer exactly makes Wikipedia go into a 'OMG UNUSABLE DISABLE IT FUCKING NOW OR I WILL' state. Media Viewer allows you to view and images without leaving the page - reducing load time for both users and the WMF. It is hardly the beginning if the end for images. If we take a quick look at the statistics - 64 voted against Media Viewer on the English Wikipedia while 6kish users enabled it, this shows 1.1% consensus for disabling the extension in a whole. I will not ramble on any more. I just ask the community to stop bitching at the WMF and accept their decision. Until then - I fully support Erik super protecting every single js and CSS page on every wiki as most Sysop I feel are technically incompetent. John Lewis -- John Lewis _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4744 / Virus Database: 4007/8014 - Release Date: 08/11/14 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
