I have coincidentally raised the question of fair-use images for living
people at the Gender Gap Taskforce talk page. Perhaps this is something we
shoudl take to the policy talk page?


On 26 August 2014 14:24, Tim Davenport <shoehu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> David Goodman has this exactly right — new volunteers (as opposed to casual
> contributors) aren't made with templates of cookies or beer, they are
> generally made one at a time, with personal attention and personal
> assistance. Teahouse is one of the best ideas of the last five years, being
> a place where newcomers can go to ask specific questions. Mentoring
> programs is another very correct step.
>
> I'm currently working with a buddy who is getting into it. Wiki markup gunk
> isn't a big problem for him; he's about 40 years old and has been around
> html enough that it doesn't put him off. Footnoting he initially found
> difficult, but I taught him how to do it long form rather than using layout
> clogging templates, so that might have added an hour or two to the learning
> curve. Still: not that difficult and he already has the knack of it — and
> once you learn that, it's all very simple.
>
> I'm going to write him a couple thousand word email on linking today.
> That's all pretty self-evident.
>
> We had lunch yesterday and I explained to him the way that some topics
> which interest him (alternative medicine) are going to be battleground
> areas in which he really must be a master of NPOV; while other interests,
> relating to popular culture and sports, are less intense, with rawer and
> worse articles standing that need Tender Loving Care.
>
> He's enthusiastic about WP, and there is absolutely no substitute for that.
> That is the thing that is missing in college students doing class projects.
> My experience thus far with them is that they dive in at the 11th hour, do
> minimally decent work necessary to complete the assignment, ask zero
> questions, and then vanish.
>
> Serious, longterm editors are made one at a time, I think. It starts with
> personal attention. It requires someone to explain editing techniques and
> (just as importantly) WP culture and policies and tour-guiding them through
> all the policy pages and various backstage aspects of WP.
>
> It also involves something we have totally ignored so far: making sure they
> have something to do: assigning projects."You like this band? Dig up more
> sources, flesh it out. Oh, your grandpa was a pro athlete and already has a
> page? Dig up some news stories on his career... Write about his
> teammates... Hey, this article on the NFL championship game he played in is
> pretty terrible, why not see if you can make it better?
>
> Another unspoken problem is photo rights, which is (1) confusing to start
> with; (2) subject to one of the worst decisions ever, the choice to use
> free files rather than to make use of American fair use legal doctrine; (3)
> populated by anal retentive volunteers who delete first and ask questions
> never, engage only with templates, work too fast, and who in many cases I
> suspect take malicious joy in their work. I know that that was the aspect
> of WP that alienated me the worst as a newcomer. It still does.
>
> So, WMF sorts: remember that this is a slow process and that there are no
> magical software solutions. Creating new Very Active Editors takes
> motivated candidates and volunteers willing to take newcomers under their
> wings.
>
> Tim Davenport
> Corvallis, OR
> "Carrite" on WP /// "Randy from Boise" on WPO
>
>
> DAVID GOOMAN WROTE:
> >>Perhaps the best way of doing this is the admittedly laborious method
> of personally communicating with new editors who seem promising
> and encouraging them and offering to help them continue. The key word in
> this is "personally". It cannot be effectively done with  wikilove
> messages, and certainly not with anything that looks like a template.
> Template welcomes are essentially in the same class as mail or
> web "personalized"advertisements.  What works is to show that you actually
> read and appreciated what they are doing, to the extent you wanted to
> write something specific.
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