The difficulty of working with multiple configurations is one of WMF's main points, along with its opinion that readers prefer MV and that WMF should prioritize what WMF feels the readers want. WMF also is making a point of claiming soveriegnty over software configuration.
Meanwhile, many volunteers seem to view readership numbers as adequate with the status quo, do not believe that MV adds value, disagree with the design of Media Viewer, and are angered by WMF's undemocratic conduct and arrogant comments. This kind of situation is unlikely to have a happy ending without some concessions and mediation. Pine On Aug 31, 2014 11:32 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > The argument is not at all about the MediaViewer. It is only the latest > flash point. Consequently the notion of how hard it is to set a default on > or off is not relevant really. > > When you read the Wikipedia Signpost you read about one of the major German > players and it is found necessary to mention that his "tools" environment > was ended and it became WMF labs. For me it gives the impression of sour > grapes and a sense of failure because volunteers do not decide the agenda > and feel angry/frustrated about that. > > Consequently my conclusion that it is not about the MediaViewer at all. The > next thing that comes along will be the next flash point. This is because > it is emotions that speak and not arguments. > Thanks, > GerardM > > > On 1 September 2014 08:11, Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoeks...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Aug 31, 2014 11:46 PM, "Pine W" <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Just in terms of the amount of everyone's time that MediaViewer, > > > Superprotect > > > and related issues are absorbing, this situation is a net negative for > > the > > > projects. > > > Also, the amount of emotional hostility that this situation involves is > > > disheartening. > > > Personally, I would like to see us building on each other's work > instead > > of > > > feuding, > > > and I'm getting MediaViewer issue fatigue. > > > > > > WMF's principal argument against letting projects make local decisions > > > about > > > configurations of MediaViewer seems to be that having a multitude of > site > > > configurations is impractical for site maintainability and development > of > > > new > > > features. The Technical Committee would be in a good position to make > > global > > > decisions on a consensus basis. > > > > > > Pine > > > > I've heard the argument that it is difficult to maintain and develop for > > having different default states of this setting across different > projects, > > and frankly, I'm not buying it, unless the setting is intended to be > > removed completely. > > > > Could someone explain to me how having a different default state for the > > setting has much, or any, impact? > > > > - Martijn > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
