Hoi,
Dear Pine. I do not care a fig about what "some users" think. You either
support their view or you do not. When they consider that the current
number of readers is adequate, I want to appreciate what they think those
numbers are, what the trends are and how it is possible that their opinion
is so starkly different from the ones I know about. Readership is down on
computers and the current numbers are only supported because of tablets and
mobiles. The same thing can be said about new editors; they are mainly
arriving from mobiles and tablets.
Even "old timers" like myself loudly HATE the old crappy interface. So I am
really displeased that you voice what "some users" think; as far as I am
concerned it is "weasel talk". You either support the voices of "some
users" or you do not. When you do, say so and argue. Do not let it hang in
the air as if it has nothing to do with you.
Pine I know you know about research.. You know the numbers, you know how to
get them where to ask. You do not have an excuse.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 September 2014 09:34, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The difficulty of working with multiple configurations is one of WMF's main
> points, along with its opinion that readers prefer MV and that WMF should
> prioritize what WMF feels the readers want. WMF also is making a point of
> claiming soveriegnty over software configuration.
>
> Meanwhile, many volunteers seem to view readership numbers as adequate with
> the status quo, do not believe that MV adds value, disagree with the
> design of Media Viewer, and are angered by WMF's undemocratic conduct and
> arrogant comments.
>
> This kind of situation is unlikely to have a happy ending without some
> concessions and mediation.
>
> Pine
> On Aug 31, 2014 11:32 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > The argument is not at all about the MediaViewer. It is only the latest
> > flash point. Consequently the notion of how hard it is to set a default
> on
> > or off is not relevant really.
> >
> > When you read the Wikipedia Signpost you read about one of the major
> German
> > players and it is found necessary to mention that his "tools" environment
> > was ended and it became WMF labs. For me it gives the impression of sour
> > grapes and a sense of failure because volunteers do not decide the agenda
> > and feel angry/frustrated about that.
> >
> > Consequently my conclusion that it is not about the MediaViewer at all.
> The
> > next thing that comes along will be the next flash point. This is because
> > it is emotions that speak and not arguments.
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> >
> >
> > On 1 September 2014 08:11, Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoeks...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Aug 31, 2014 11:46 PM, "Pine W" <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just in terms of the amount of everyone's time that MediaViewer,
> > > > Superprotect
> > > > and related issues are absorbing, this situation is a net negative
> for
> > > the
> > > > projects.
> > > > Also, the amount of emotional hostility that this situation involves
> is
> > > > disheartening.
> > > > Personally, I would like to see us building on each other's work
> > instead
> > > of
> > > > feuding,
> > > > and I'm getting MediaViewer issue fatigue.
> > > >
> > > > WMF's principal argument against letting projects make local
> decisions
> > > > about
> > > > configurations of MediaViewer seems to be that having a multitude of
> > site
> > > > configurations is impractical for site maintainability and
> development
> > of
> > > > new
> > > > features. The Technical Committee would be in a good position to make
> > > global
> > > > decisions on a consensus basis.
> > > >
> > > > Pine
> > >
> > > I've heard the argument that it is difficult to maintain and develop
> for
> > > having different default states of this setting across different
> > projects,
> > > and frankly, I'm not buying it, unless the setting is intended to be
> > > removed completely.
> > >
> > > Could someone explain to me how having a different default state for
> the
> > > setting has much, or any, impact?
> > >
> > > - Martijn
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