Yes Pine, you may. Let's give Damon a bit of time to settle in and we can arrange that.
We are also in the midst of working through documenting and exposing our product development process, which would help set up parameters for success of projects. Lila On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Lila, > > May I request a Tech Talk about efficiency and quality of Wikimedia > software development? It would be interesting to have you, Erik and Damon > as presenters. > > Thanks, > > Pine > On Oct 7, 2014 9:07 AM, "Lila Tretikov" <l...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > Are you in? Or are you out? That is the question. > > > > > > Lila > > > > P.S. If you'd like to talk about operational efficiency and quality of > > software manufacturing -- please start a thread on that. We are deep into > > working on that here, so would be happy to share the love! > > > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Because of that, I am very happy to see somebody with courage and > > > > integrity in the top management. Such person has much larger > potential > > > > to create the momentum and build community enthusiasm again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is someone saying "I have courage and integrity" all it takes to > convince > > > you that they are indeed possessed of those qualities? Every politician > > > says that. I'd reserve judgment and wait to see their performance. > > > > > > Besides, what has been lacking is not courage. Creating the > > Superprotection > > > feature, pressing ahead with the Flow concept in the face of massive > > > community skepticism and rolling out a very poorly implemented > > VisualEditor > > > undoubtedly took courage of a sort. > > > > > > What's been lacking is an ability to convince the community through > > > argument rather than the exercise of power, an ability to understand > the > > > community's needs and concerns, and sheer old-fashioned engineering > > > competence – something the VisualEditor signally failed to demonstrate. > > > > > > Jimmy Wales acknowledged that there have been huge problems. Recently, > a > > > Wikipedian quoted the following to him on his talk page: > > > > > > *“The Foundation has a miserable cost/benefit ratio and for years now > has > > > spent millions on software development without producing anything that > > > actually works; the feeling is that the whole operation is held > together > > > with the goodwill of its volunteers and the more stupid Foundation > > managers > > > are seriously hacking them off”,* > > > > > > Wales replied[1] (my emphasis), > > > > > > *“Other than the extreme nature of the comment (‘without producing > > > ANYTHING’ is too strong) why do you think I would disagree with that? > > This > > > is precisely the point of the new CEO and new direction – to radically > > > improve the software development process. That statement, while too > > strong, > > > is indeed an accurate depiction of what has gone wrong. I’ve been > > > frustrated as well about the endless controversies about the rollout of > > > inadequate software not developed with sufficient community > consultation > > > and without proper incremental rollout to catch showstopping bugs.”* > > > I don't want to be unduly churlish to Damon, who deserves his welcome > > here > > > like any new team member, but given the above background I personally > > would > > > have appreciated an intimation from Damon that he is aware of the > > problems > > > to date, that roll-outs will be handled more competently on his watch, > > and > > > that the community will not be presented with substandard software > again. > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=next&oldid=623290066 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
