Let me reiterate: the FDC definitely DOES NOT try to dump fundraising on the chapters.
However, we recognize that sometimes funding or inkind support is available more easily than elsewhere. We once had a situation that a chapter declared they could get external funding easily for a projected they applied for to the FDC, but they just didn't. Some chapters have a possibility to get office space for free or at a reduced price. Etc. It would just make sense to think if the movement's resources sparingly. If funds are not available, or if one tries and fails - that's totally fine. Best Dj 26 lis 2014 09:42 "rupert THURNER" <[email protected]> napisał(a): > While I understand the arguments of the fdc in the light of the policies > they are bound to, what you Gerard write , really hits the core of the > challenge we are facing. > > What I find the most hypocritical is that the wmf and the fdc want to dump > other organizations into fundraising adventures the wmf with all its > professionalism tried and found unsatisfactory. when sue Gardner startet > there were four income channels. First, Business development, which never > gave income. Second, get money from the rich, which gave a glorious > conflict of interest discussion e.g. when virgin doubled part of the 2006 > fundraiser. I never heard of this one again. Third, get money from the > dead aka applying for grants to other foundations. This proved expensive > compared to the result, mostly giving restricted funds which then resulted > in problems with reporting the success. Many of the chapters face this > today. And fourth, as now only remaining cornerstone, get money from the > poor, aka fundraising banners on the website. > > The wmf today plays two roles, spending money and owning the website, and > with it deriving the single right to collect money of it. Which is an > inherent conflict of interest imo responsible for 99% of the inefficiencies > we have today, including the local focus brought up by Gerard. > > Rupert > On Nov 26, 2014 8:05 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > With all respect, these are pennies to the pound. When you have people > > working professionally the choice is very much: are they to do a job or > are > > they to raise funds and do a job. To do the latter effectively it takes > two > > because the skills involved are different. > > > > I completely agree that it is possible to raise much more money. However, > > in the current model where the foundation monopolised fund raising and > not > > doing the best possible job the amounts raised are not optimized. > Currently > > it is not needed. The notion that all money raised should go in one pot > is > > foolish because the reality is that several chapter opt out of the > process > > altogether. Several of these make more money than they can comfortably > > handle BUT cannot share for legal reasons, > > > > What we have is a political correct monstrosity that does not what it is > > supposed to do under the notions of political correctness. It would be > much > > better when the whole process of fundraising and spending was changed in > > such a way that the process became more equal, A process where the > chapters > > can more easily take up jobs they are suited for. Why for instance have > > developers go to the USA while they can live really comfortable in > > countries like India where there is an abundance of really smart and > > educated people ? Why not have technical projects run in India? (I know > > reasons why not but they are not the point). > > > > We do not have metrics for many jobs. What we have we do not apply > equally > > or divide on equal terms. > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > NB Wikidata is underfunded > > > > On 25 November 2014 at 21:25, Anders Wennersten < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > As Nathan I see no contradiction. > > > > > > I would feel embarrassed if WMSE had used FDC funding in their > project > > > to get more female contributes. Also as it is rather easy to get that > > > funded from within Sweden and semi-government financing organisations > > (but > > > not for WMF to "get" that money for general use) > > > > > > But I feel quite comfortable that FDC money was used to buy the camera > > > that was used by a volunteer in ESC 2013 to take photos that has been > > > uploaded to Commons and used in 60+ versions and been viewed almost a > > > million times and believe our small donors would approve of that use > > > > > > Anders > > > > > > > > > > > > Nathan skrev den 2014-11-25 20:45: > > > > > >> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Liam Wyatt <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Both of these policies are internally consistent and logical, > however I > > >>> believe that they are at least partially contradictory. I believe the > > FDC > > >>> is working on the best advice it has available, and I know that I > have > > >>> not > > >>> read *all *the most recent documentation about Chapter finances. > But, I > > >>> would like to know if there is a policy position from the WMF Board > of > > >>> Trustees that clarifies what is expected of Chapters in this area. > > >>> > > >> > > >> Can you elaborate just a little on how you find them to be > > contradictory? > > >> If we assume, as I think is reasonable, that the first principle > applies > > >> to > > >> funds raised by WMF and the second is directed at funds raised by > > >> individual affiliates, they don't seem to me to be in conflict. > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > >> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > >> [email protected] > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > > >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
