Andreas writes: "Prominent organisations campaigning for a free and open web very strongly disagree with your view."
I said there are no facts, and you responded by citing opinion pieces. That's cool, but opinions are not themselves facts. Furthermore, in some circles, I've been considered from time to time to be someone "prominent" whose entire career has been dedicated to a free and open web. If you're suggesting that everyone -- or even everyone "prominent" -- who believes in a free and open web "very strongly" disagrees with me, then you are misinformed. There is an honest difference of opinion about what the developing world needs first. And, in my experience, it is only individuals in developed, industrialized countries with very little direct knowledge about the infrastructural and access challenges in developing countries who imagine that zero-rated services are categorically a threat to "a free and open web." I've actually written about this issue at length, and will be publishing another article on the issue next week. I'll post the link here when I have it. Whether the U.S. government's Federal Communications is not itself a "prominent organization" that has committed itself to "a free and open web" is a proposition worth challenging is, of course, up to you. But I hope you don't expect such a challenge to be taken seriously. I know the FCC's new Report and Order on net neutrality is a very long (400-page) document, and there is of course no requirement that you actually have read it (much less some appreciable fraction of the comments that led to it). But I've done so. The FCC expressly refused to adopt the categorical, simplistic, binary approach you have posted here. My friends and colleagues at EFF, Access Now, and elsewhere -- as well as individual scholars and commentators like Marvin Ammori -- know me, and they know why I differ with them about this stuff. What I have explained to them is that my experiences of working with in-country NGOs in the developing world (who don't, in fact, disagree with me about this) have shaped my opinion. If your own experience in working on access issues in (say) Africa or Southeast Asia is stronger than my own, I'd be more likely to be persuaded by your, uh, "original research" than by your effort to selectively adduce footnotes in support of your assertions. At least that's my inclination after a quarter of a century of working for internet freedom. (I was the first employee at EFF, where I worked for nine years.) The Access Now editorial, in particular, was drafted by someone who had not been open to discussing why it doesn't make sense to describe Wikipedia Zero as having "forged deals" with telcos. How do I happen to know this? Because, as a result of conversations with Marvin Ammori, I tried reaching out to Access Now. (The author is not among the many Access Now lawyers I know personally.) Those efforts never went anywhere--the writer wasn't interested in discussing it. What you may not know, if you are not based in Washington, DC, policy circles, is that very many (although not all) network-neutrality activists are afraid that if there is *any* exception to a categorical prohibition on zero-rated services, this will somehow undermine network neutrality forever. I do not share their predisposition (or yours) to understand the issue in such simplistic, binary terms. Please forgive me for not re-reading the Access Now editorial again, even though you quote it so heavily here. I've discussed the editorial face-to-face, however, with my Access Now friends in DC, and again at the Internet Governance Forum in Istanbul last year, and just last week at RightsCon in Manila, where I was a guest speaker and moderator of a panel on internet-rights initiatives in Southeast Asia. I didn't happen to see you at any of those events, but they were quite busy and crowded, so perhaps I missed you. Perhaps your own labors on behalf of a free and open internet were so demanding that they prevented you from attending. If so, I understand entirely. I'll be back in Phnom Penh working on the Great Charter for Cambodian Internet Freedom for a couple of weeks in June--if you can find your way there, I'd be happy to introduce you to activists who, like me, believe that Wikipedia Zero is the kind of project that helps citizens more immediately and pervasively than a commitment to charging for mobile internet access by the byte. Fortunately, my heterodoxy on the issue of net neutrality has not prevented the prominent organizations you mention from continuing to work with me on issues like NSA reform, copyright and patent reform, and updating the U.S. Electronic Communications Privacy Act. That stuff is going to be my major work obligation in April and May. I guess I'm lucky that the prominence of those organizations has not led them to being so casually dismissive of me as you have chosen to be. Best regards, --Mike Godwin On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Mike Godwin <mnemo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> It should be noted that the Federal Communications Commission, in its >> recent Report and Order requiring network neutrality for American >> telcos and service providers, expressly refused to draw a categorical >> conclusion whether zero-rated services (including Wikipedia Zero) >> harmed competition. Instead, the Commission said it would make >> case-by-case determinations based on the particular services each >> zero-rated service is providing. If it were shown that Wikipedia Zero >> is suppressing competition from other encyclopedic knowledge bases or >> suppressing sharing of knowledge, that would be something for the >> Commission to consider -- but of course there are no facts that >> support this argument, at least not yet. > > > > > Prominent organisations campaigning for a free and open web very strongly > disagree with your view. > > The anti-competitive nature of zero-rated services is the exact point Thomas > Lohninger makes in the presentation I linked to earlier. (Comments on > Wikipedia Zero specifically start at time code 40.45.) > > ---o0o--- > > Imagine if Encyclopaedia Britannica had a service like this 10 years ago. > Something like Wikipedia never could have come into existence, because there > would already be one incumbent player that's hugely dominant, that has free > access to all the customer base. And it doesn't matter if it's the best > service ... but it's free. And so people will use that. And Wikipedia as a > community project never would have taken off and come to the point where > they are right now. > > ---o0o--- > > Would you really argue with that? > > Facebook Zero and Wikipedia Zero are transparently about getting to market > early, ahead of other corporate players, and establishing dominant positions > before others – including non-Western, home-grown solutions – can get a foot > in the door. > > AccessNow takes the same view: > > ---o0o--- > > Wikimedia is not alone in forging “zero-rating” deals with telcos. Facebook > has also struck deals to offer low-data versions of its services in both > developed and developing countries. But Wikimedia argues that unlike > Facebook Zero, its service is non-commercial, and therefore deserves a > special Wikipedia carve-out because no money is changing hands in exchange > for prioritization over other services. No money, no net neutrality > violation. > > This reasoning fails to pass the smell test. The company’s own recently > updated terms of service recognize that payment and benefit need not be > monetary. In fact, Wikimedia is using its well-known trademarks as currency > in deals with telecom partners as it seeks to acquire more users via > Wikipedia Zero. > > Current users understand that the revolutionary nature of the internet rests > in its breadth and diversity. The internet is more than Wikipedia, Facebook, > or Google. But for many, zero-rated programs would limit online access to > the “walled gardens” offered by the Web heavyweights. For millions of users, > Facebook and Wikipedia would be synonymous with “internet.” In the end, > Wikipedia Zero would not lead to more users of the actual internet, but > Wikipedia may see a nice pickup in traffic. > > As the Wikimedia Foundation claims to know, the diversity and plurality of > knowledge the internet can deliver is, in essence, what makes net neutrality > so important; equal treatment of data results in equal access to all. It’s > hard to see how zero-rated services can comport with this principle. > > In addition, suggesting that free access to Wikipedia or Facebook is the > solution to limited internet access in the developing world is like putting > a Band-Aid on a bullet wound. It leaves the underlying, complex causes of > the digital divide untreated. Moreover, offering services that don't count > against data caps, in developed and less-developed countries alike, tips the > balance in favour of zero-rated services, effectively salting the earth of > low-cost net neutral alternatives in the future. The long-term effect of > these services will be a decline in innovation and competition online — with > a particular bias against homegrown services in favor of companies based > thousands of miles away in Silicon Valley — and, ironically, a reduction in > access to information and knowledge. > > ---o0o--- > > "Fails to pass the smell test." > > "Salting the earth." > > The Electronic Frontier Foundation, which you used to work for before you > took your job at Wikimedia, makes the same point about the anti-competitive > nature of zero-rated services, specifically with reference to Wikipedia > Zero: > > ---o0o--- > > It goes without saying that users will be much more inclined to access a > zero rated service than one for which they need to pay, and that this tilts > the playing field in favor of the zero rated content owner. On its face, > this isn't neutral at all. Yet some have argued that it is worth allowing > poor consumers to access at least part of the Internet, even if they are > shut out from accessing the rest of it because they can't afford to do so. > > However, we worry about the downside risks of the zero rated services. > Although it may seem like a humane strategy to offer users from developing > countries crumbs from the Internet's table in the form of free access to > walled-garden services, such service may thrive at the cost of stifling the > development of low-cost, neutral Internet access in those countries for > decades to come. > > ---o0o--- > > These organisations have excellent credentials, and they all argue that > developing countries are taken advantage of, in line with a centuries-old > tradition. It's internet colonialism. > > Wikimedia is behaving like an exploitative corporate player here, striking > deals with other first-world corporate players interested solely in their > bottom line. Since the beginning of the year, at least three Facebook > Zero/Wikipedia Zero bundles have appeared on Facebook's Internet.org > website. > > Plus ça change ... > > >  > http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2014/31c3_-_6170_-_en_-_saal_g_-_201412282145_-_net_neutrality_days_of_future_past_-_rejo_zenger_-_thomas_lohninger.html#video >  > https://www.accessnow.org/blog/2014/08/08/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-wikimedia-turns-its-back-on-the-open >  > https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/07/net-neutrality-and-global-digital-divide > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>