I see that East St Louis also has a murder rate approaching that of say, Bogota. This to me says "vibrant".
On a more serious note, while SF is egregiously expensive, if you want to attract good people, you have to base yourself where the action is. S On 8 April 2015 at 16:46, Richard Symonds <richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > I know from experience that East St Louis is pretty cheap, and it's > centrally located. And the weather is almost as good as California, but > without the Hurricanes. > > How do the WMF staff feel about moving to East St Louis? I imagine they > would be *thrilled*. > > Richard Symonds > Wikimedia UK > 0207 065 0992 > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). > > *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control > over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* > > On 8 April 2015 at 14:57, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > (volunteer hat on) > > > > Glasgow to London in no way represents the scale of what any move, > > even an in-US move, would be, unless the goal is for the WMF to end up > > in LA or (maybe) Portland. > > > > I would agree that a multi-location setup would work better as a good > > expansion route here, although I'm not sure what that how that would > > work out internationally, in terms of legal liability. Even just > > having an east coast location in somewhere obvious (we have clusters > > of staff in, e.g., Boston, Raleigh and NY, albeit small clusters) > > would make a big difference. > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 8 April 2015 at 06:07, Aleksey Bilogur <aleksey.bilo...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >> A logistical non-starter! They've got 200+ staff members, any gains > > to... > > > > > > Plenty of companies and charities happily move their HQ building > > > location with more staff gaining benefits rather than losing them. I > > > was involved with a corporate move where most staff went from London > > > to Glasgow, with the benefit that their family and social lives > > > improved and they could afford to buy large houses with the same money > > > it takes to buy half a small flat in London. Presented the right way, > > > a move can improve staff commitment and even reduce turnover. > > > > > > You also can't have it both ways, the WMF is supposed to be a > > > multi-location global organization. Strategically it would be better > > > to grow globally in several locations, rather than always having > > > everyone in the same offices in the same city on the West Coast of > > > America. Our staff and volunteers are highly experienced in virtual > > > cooperation and meetings, the WMF could even become an exemplar for > > > how that works for smaller organizations with global teams. > > > > > > Fae > > > -- > > > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. 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