Amir makes a good point that it is easier to improve an article than to create it. Bot created articles would be particularly useful on en: for the many thousands of organisms that do not have an article yet. I run into missing articles all the time in marine organisms, but do not have the time or inclination to create them. I would have the time and inclination to improve some of them if they were there as well formatted stubs, with section headers to indicate where and what was missing. Creating an article for an organism requires repetitive actions to a fixed formula. It is work which can be automated and as I see it, should be automated, as it is boring and tedious, and I have to look up how to do it every time, so it is unlikely that I will do it most times. There are plenty of articles which perhaps should not be created by a bot, but that should not stop the ones that should be done that way. If people think they artificially inflate the article count, give them a category like bot-stub and don’t count them until a human has upgraded them to a better category. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Amir Ladsgroup Sent: 06 July 2015 11:49 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10 I'm a bot operator in Persian Wikipedia (~500K articles) and I'm directly or indirectly responsible for creating more than half of the articles in that Wiki using automated or semi-automated tools that I built. If our language used Latin alphabet, we definitely would be one of the five biggest wikis. I'm telling this to emphasize I'm not against bot-creating articles in general but I agree this is not the way we build Wikipedia. We create articles of Wikipedia for people to read. Even if your articles has a very low quality eventually someone will improve it [1] but articles that have reader. How many of these articles will be read by people? Honestly I think 100K out of the 1M was enough. That's why we created articles by bot in broad topics in Persian Wikipedia (minor planets 16K, villages of Iran 70K, national heritages of Iran 20K, cities of the world ~20K, chemical compounds 10-20K) because 20K articles in same topic attracts less then half of reader comparing to combination of 10K in one topic and 10K in another topic. [1]: IPs can't create article, we enabled it once, disaster. but they can edit articles (low-quality-bot-created articles) and it attracts to add something and after a while they become a regular editor. That's why Persian Wikipedia has one of the highest growth rate in number of users and active users. So bot-created articles can be useful but not this way. Best On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > I would not say that the Encyclopaedia Britannica is NOT an encyclopaedia. > > The objective of Wikipedia is EXACTLY that it is read. Not that it is > edited. > > You can argue all you like against bot generated articles but in the > final analysis it is doing a much better job than not providing information. > Arguably it is not needed to save them as articles because it is > possible to generate them on the fly based on information from > Wikidata and cache the results but that is EXACTLY the kind of > technology that would bring missing information to any Wikipedia > without distorting the number of articles for people who only care > about editors and editing. It is EXACTLY the kind of technology I would > welcome the WMF to explore. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 6 July 2015 at 11:09, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > https://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinaurog:ActiveUsers > > https://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espesyal:ActiveUsers > > > > An encyclopedia in the first 10 places without a community is it an > > encyclopedia? > > > > Is the community important to say that wikipedia is wikipedia? In > > this > case > > these projects are demonstrating that Wikipedia can renounce to one > > of > its > > pilaster. > > > > In my opinion the impact of Waray Waray or of Cebuan is a > > demonstration that any "strange" language can have a big traffic if > > it is placed in the first places of the ranking because it will be > > best ranked in search engines. > > > > But an impact is something that produces "effects" and > > "dissemination". I don't see impact because the bot has increased > > only one measure (page > view) > > and nothing else. > > > > If the impact must be produced with SEO, the parameters of > > evaluations > must > > change. > > > > It is different when a bot is running in an encyclopedia supported > > by a "mature" community, because the articles will be improved in > > quality and will generate more and more effects. > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Gerard Meijssen < > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hoi, > > > How do you know that there is no impact ? > > > > > > https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm > shows > > > clearly how much Cebuano has grown considerably in page views. The > > > same > > is > > > true for Waray Waray. Compare it to languages with a similar > > > number of speakers. Please explain how this is not a real impact ! > > > Thanks, > > > GerardM > > > > > > On 6 July 2015 at 10:20, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > This is an example about how to produce a "formal" impact > > > > without a > > > "real" > > > > impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Salvador A > > > > <salvador1...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > I just I noticed that Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedia are > > > > > inside > > the > > > > list > > > > > of the 10 Wikipedias with more articles.[1] It seems it > > > > > happened > > during > > > > > this weekend. Maybe in the case of Waray Wikipedia happened a > little > > > > > before. Somebody knows when did it was exactly? Did I miss a > > > > > thread announcing this? > > > > > > > > > > Waray-waray is now the 6th place and Cebuano has surpassed > > > > > it.wiki > > and > > > > > es.wiki and gained the place number 8, mainly due to Lsjbot > work.[2] > > > > > Definitely a milestone in Wikipedia and bots history. > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias > > > > > [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsjbot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > *Salvador Alcántar* > > > > > *@salvador_alc* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ilario Valdelli > > > > Wikimedia CH > > > > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour > > > > l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il > > > > sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > > > > Wikipedia: Ilario <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario> > > > > Skype: valdelli > > > > Facebook: Ilario Valdelli <https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli> > > > > Twitter: Ilario Valdelli <https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli> > > > > Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli < > > > http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469 > > > > > > > > > Tel: +41764821371 > > > > http://www.wikimedia.ch > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscr > > > > ibe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscrib > > > e> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ilario Valdelli > > Wikimedia CH > > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione > > per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > > Wikipedia: Ilario <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario> > > Skype: valdelli > > Facebook: Ilario Valdelli <https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli> > > Twitter: Ilario Valdelli <https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli> > > Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli < > http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469 > > > > > Tel: +41764821371 > > http://www.wikimedia.ch > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Amir _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> ----- No virus found in this message. 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