I can't find something wrong with Pundit's argument based opinions and explanations. Kind regards Ziko
2015-11-26 12:33 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > Hoi, > Some explanations simply read as weasel words. Nothing was lost in > translation. You either have an opinion and you accept that people consider > responsibility part of the parcel or you do not and that is in my opinion > worse. It is not so bad to be wrong, it happens. It is worse to refuse to > accept responsibility. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 26 November 2015 at 12:23, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> No, this was a simple explanation of the facts of the limited authority of >> the FDC, not an attempt to weasel. >> >> Perhaps something was lost in translation? >> >> Fae >> On 26 Nov 2015 10:58, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Hoi, >> > Sorry but "The FDC provides recommendations to the WMF Board, who then >> > decide on them. The FDC doesn't handle funds directly, so in no case does >> > it withhold, or spend, funds, instead it recommends doing so to the WMF >> > Board." qualify as weasel words. You make proposals and hope, expect that >> > they will be accepted. Not taking responsibility for your actions and >> > blaming them is the same as saying "we are only saying and they were not >> > thinking themselves." >> > >> > Not good, not appreciated. >> > Thanks, >> > GerardM >> > >> > On 25 November 2015 at 15:56, Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net> wrote: >> > >> > > Hi MZMcBride, >> > > >> > > > The Wikimedia Foundation has a section under "Organisation-specific >> > > > remarks", but isn't included in the "Funding recommendations" chart >> and >> > > > there's no amount requested, amount allocated, or proposal listed for >> > the >> > > > Wikimedia Foundation. Why is that? >> > > >> > > They are organisation-specific remarks. :-) The WMF did not apply to >> the >> > > FDC this round, hence why there are no amounts requested/allocated, or >> a >> > > proposal to link to. The FDC felt it necessary to include >> recommendations >> > > about the WMF anyway. >> > > >> > > > If Wikimedia Deutschland is required to separate out costs for >> > Wikidata, >> > > > does that mean that the Wikimedia Foundation is required to split out >> > > > costs for Wikipedia and its other projects? I'd be quite curious to >> > know >> > > > how much money is being spent by the Wikimedia Foundation on >> Wiktionary >> > > or >> > > > Wikinews or Wikiversity. >> > > >> > > It's worth noting that there are two meanings to the word 'project' >> here >> > - >> > > there are the Wikimedia projects, and then there are projects run by >> the >> > > Wikimedia organisations (think of, e.g., GLAM or education projects). >> > It's >> > > particularly the latter case that is most relevant to the FDC's work, >> and >> > > in this case Wikidata falls under both meanings. >> > > >> > > > The report includes this note: >> > > >> The FDC is appalled by the closed way that the WMF has undertaken >> both >> > > >> strategic and annual planning, and the WMF’s approach to budget >> > > >> transparency (or lack thereof). >> > > > >> > > > Sort of inline with the first question, but perhaps more direct: what >> > > > power does the Funds Dissemination Committee have over the amount of >> > > donor >> > > > money allocated toward the Wikimedia Foundation? Can the FDC only >> > > admonish >> > > > the organization, but not actually withhold funds? >> > > >> > > >> > > The FDC provides recommendations to the WMF Board, who then decide on >> > > them. The FDC doesn't handle funds directly, so in no case does it >> > > withhold, or spend, funds, instead it recommends doing so to the WMF >> > Board. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Mike >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
