Hi Shani,

Thanks for your post to the mailing list. I appreciate your comments
directed at the BoT.

Hopefully the collective voices will make an impact.
Warm regards,
Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Wikipedian in Residence
at Cochrane Collaboration


On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Shani <shani.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yury, this is a very important example, but indeed off-topic. It deserves a
> separate thread, but not before addressing the current main crisis, which
> all others stem from.
>
> At this point, it is inconceivable that there is still such a "disconnect"
> between what WMF employees & volunteers accross the movement are saying,
> and what the BoT is thinking, saying & doing.
>
> There have been repeated requests for engagement & action from the BoT,
> both on and off this list. The first step in that direction has to be to
> openly admit something is wrong, as Asaf rightly noted on this list no so
> long ago. It takes courage to look the truth in the face and admit
> mistakes. And itcll be hard for a while. But it has to be done and it's
> worth the effort if we want to move forward positively.
>
> Like others, I believe this is the biggest crisis, crossroad, challenge
> (call it what you will), we have ever faced as a movement. But as wise
> people said, crisis also offers new opportunities and gifts, if confronted.
>
> We have to fix this disconnect before we go on "fixing the internet".
>
> And I wonder -- what else has to happen for the BoT to realize what both
> community and employees are saying for months now, embrace it and act on it.
>
> Respectfully,
> Shani.
> On 19 Feb 2016 01:46, "Yury Bulka" <setthemf...@privacyrequired.com> wrote:
>
>> There are certain things that affect many volunteers
>> directly. A slightly off-topic example:
>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T59608#1637250
>>
>> The fact that:
>> > "the WMF education team has no engineering resources"
>>
>> ...affects volunteers.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Yury Bulka
>> (Wikimedia Ukraine)
>>
>> Craig Franklin <cfrank...@halonetwork.net> writes:
>>
>> > Yaroslav,
>> >
>> > You're correct in that most volunteers don't care directly.  The problem
>> is
>> > that a lot of the BoT's recent difficulties have crossed the line from
>> > "angry encyclopedia people venting on a mailing list" to "serious and
>> > negative attention from the mainstream press".  If there is too much of
>> the
>> > latter, it may create a perception amongst the general public than even
>> if
>> > Wikipedia is a useful resource, that it is incompetent with handling
>> > money.  As a result, donations dry up, and difficult and unpleasant
>> choices
>> > have to be made around budget.
>> >
>> > So yes, this sort of thing can influence rank and file editors most
>> > seriously, albeit indirectly.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Craig
>> >
>> >
>> > On 19 February 2016 at 07:52, Yaroslav M. Blanter <pute...@mccme.ru>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> To be honest, most volunteers do not care. We understand of course that
>> if
>> >> things would go really wrong, for example, servers stop running, or
>> money
>> >> runs out and ads are introduced, or English Wikipedia admins continue
>> >> resigning/being desysopped without proper replacement, so that we have
>> ten
>> >> active admins, then we are in serious trouble. But as far as things are
>> >> running quasi-normal, we just continue. I was making 50 to 100 edits per
>> >> day five years ago, I am making 50 to 100 edits per day now, I will
>> >> probably still be making 50 to 100 edits per day in five years, unless I
>> >> die or leave because of a serious demotivation - and this demotivation
>> is
>> >> unlikely to be related to WMF. I think staff are way more vulnerable to
>> all
>> >> kinds of events.
>> >>
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