Strong +1 to Risker.
Collecting ideas to work more on as we move forward: YES. Keeping the
constructive attitude and opened comm channels I've seen here and and among
staff internally: YES.
But let's be deliberate, and considerate. We do have to learn and process
before we implement anything.
That all said I think I'm approaching my monthly list message quota, so I'm
probably going to quiet down on list for a bit as I talk to people in SF. :)
I'll be making public-side notes on meta under my user page.
On Feb 26, 2016 4:59 PM, "Risker" <risker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think in fairness that it is not just staff who are feeling this is all
> moving too fast. The overwhelming majority of community members, and in
> particular community members who don't read and speak English fluently, are
> likely to be pretty overwhelmed right now too.
> I am concerned that what we are seeing right now are a whole pile of
> solutions when we haven't yet worked out what the actual problems are.
> This is actually quite a bad thing, because it creates a climate where
> people come to a conclusion about what to do before they have worked out
> whether or not it is solving a problem, creating a different problem,
> "fixing" a non-existent problem, or immaterial to the actual problems.
> Let's work out what went wrong before we really start pushing what we think
> will make things right. The foundation is not a wiki where quick and easy
> corrections are considered the norm; in fact, based on the concerns of some
> that strategy changed practically on a quarterly basis, some slow
> considered thinking is probably called for. The Wikimedia movement has not
> had time to catch up with current events and certainly doesn't need
> solutions before it's barely worked out why there's a trainwreck on the
> mailing list. And...perhaps most importantly.... we are talking about real
> people here. The board and executives, the staff, the community
> members....we're all people. Moving too fast without figuring out what the
> actual issues are is harmful to the human beings here.
> The collective "we" have not had time to understand the problems. Quite a
> few of the "solutions" I've seen on this list in the last 24-48 hours are
> nothing much more than personal wishlists; almost all of them are proposing
> to solve problems that may or may not even exist.
> Let's work more on problem identification first.
> On 26 February 2016 at 19:44, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > To Oliver and Keegan -- I hear you guys loud and clear, and I am very
> > that the trauma of the last few months has taken this kind of toll.
> > Although there is of course much I don't know, I have been talking with a
> > number of staff, board, etc. for many months now about this. So to
> > degree it's possible to empathize without "being there," I do.
> > However, I'm not trying to push things forward at a pace that's
> > *for me*, I'm trying to focus on things that will impact *what it's
> > possible to do*.
> > The prospect of a drawn-out, even multi-year search for the next
> > Executive Director is not a good one. The way the organization rebuilds
> > itself and sets expectations will have a huge impact on that. The impact
> > fund-raising will be felt, as well; high-profile contention around a
> > is being discussed throughout the philanthropy world, and will impact the
> > way individual donors respond to banners, as well.
> > I am confident that the Board is already turning its attention to issues
> > like these. Many things need to be done whenever an executive director
> > leaves an organization, and there are many reasons to attend to them in a
> > timely fashion -- without rushing through and making bad decisions.
> > Individual Trustees have expressed interest and gratitude for the ideas
> > under discussion, and I appreciate knowing that they are considering
> > This list may not be the best way to reach the board, but it's a good
> > to see whether there is consensus around certain ideas.
> > That's what I'm trying to do. I know that forging ahead while exhausted
> > sucks, and I am not trying to push anybody faster than they want to go.
> > I also think that this moment for careful deliberation shouldn't be
> > some of the opportunities will pass by very quickly if nothing is done.
> > -Pete
> > [[User:Peteforsyth]]
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