Strong +1 to Risker. Collecting ideas to work more on as we move forward: YES. Keeping the constructive attitude and opened comm channels I've seen here and and among staff internally: YES.
But let's be deliberate, and considerate. We do have to learn and process before we implement anything. That all said I think I'm approaching my monthly list message quota, so I'm probably going to quiet down on list for a bit as I talk to people in SF. :) I'll be making public-side notes on meta under my user page. -- brion On Feb 26, 2016 4:59 PM, "Risker" <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think in fairness that it is not just staff who are feeling this is all > moving too fast. The overwhelming majority of community members, and in > particular community members who don't read and speak English fluently, are > likely to be pretty overwhelmed right now too. > > > I am concerned that what we are seeing right now are a whole pile of > solutions when we haven't yet worked out what the actual problems are. > This is actually quite a bad thing, because it creates a climate where > people come to a conclusion about what to do before they have worked out > whether or not it is solving a problem, creating a different problem, > "fixing" a non-existent problem, or immaterial to the actual problems. > > Let's work out what went wrong before we really start pushing what we think > will make things right. The foundation is not a wiki where quick and easy > corrections are considered the norm; in fact, based on the concerns of some > that strategy changed practically on a quarterly basis, some slow > considered thinking is probably called for. The Wikimedia movement has not > had time to catch up with current events and certainly doesn't need > solutions before it's barely worked out why there's a trainwreck on the > mailing list. And...perhaps most importantly.... we are talking about real > people here. The board and executives, the staff, the community > members....we're all people. Moving too fast without figuring out what the > actual issues are is harmful to the human beings here. > > The collective "we" have not had time to understand the problems. Quite a > few of the "solutions" I've seen on this list in the last 24-48 hours are > nothing much more than personal wishlists; almost all of them are proposing > to solve problems that may or may not even exist. > > Let's work more on problem identification first. > > > Risker/Anne > > On 26 February 2016 at 19:44, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > To Oliver and Keegan -- I hear you guys loud and clear, and I am very > aware > > that the trauma of the last few months has taken this kind of toll. > > Although there is of course much I don't know, I have been talking with a > > number of staff, board, etc. for many months now about this. So to > whatever > > degree it's possible to empathize without "being there," I do. > > > > However, I'm not trying to push things forward at a pace that's > comfortable > > *for me*, I'm trying to focus on things that will impact *what it's > > possible to do*. > > > > The prospect of a drawn-out, even multi-year search for the next > long-term > > Executive Director is not a good one. The way the organization rebuilds > > itself and sets expectations will have a huge impact on that. The impact > on > > fund-raising will be felt, as well; high-profile contention around a > grant > > is being discussed throughout the philanthropy world, and will impact the > > way individual donors respond to banners, as well. > > > > I am confident that the Board is already turning its attention to issues > > like these. Many things need to be done whenever an executive director > > leaves an organization, and there are many reasons to attend to them in a > > timely fashion -- without rushing through and making bad decisions. > > > > Individual Trustees have expressed interest and gratitude for the ideas > > under discussion, and I appreciate knowing that they are considering > input. > > This list may not be the best way to reach the board, but it's a good > place > > to see whether there is consensus around certain ideas. > > > > That's what I'm trying to do. I know that forging ahead while exhausted > > sucks, and I am not trying to push anybody faster than they want to go. > But > > I also think that this moment for careful deliberation shouldn't be > missed; > > some of the opportunities will pass by very quickly if nothing is done. > > > > -Pete > > [[User:Peteforsyth]] > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>