Hi Keegan,

I'm fond of the principle of civility. I'm wondering how you suggest that
we balance civility with the need to hold people accountable. For example,
if someone makes a series of highly problematic decisions, or commits a
wikifelony in their particular role (for example, blatant misuse of
CheckUser, or misappropriation of movement funds), it may be that "the
needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" and that the Wikimedia
community would be best served by having that person step down or be
removed. The community, WMF, and arbitration committees have removed people
from various offices who have messed up, usually repeatedly or seriously.
So I'm wondering how you suggest that we balance civility and
accountability. I feel that it's tough to do, and would like to hear
suggestions.

Thanks,

Pine

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.w...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Chris Sherlock <chris.sherloc...@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I agree with this, though I wonder about what to do when people cause
> > events that damage the central ideas and tenants of an organization.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
>
> ‚ÄčIt is not hard to keep discussions involving people relevant to the issues
> at hand, and discuss people in context of their role or influence in events
> and decision making, and these discussions are good to have.
>
> Starting threads pointedly about individuals, with discussions about the
> issues only tangential to the point of the attack on the individual is a
> very different thing, one that I think most recognize when they see this,
> as well as other threads that are coatracks and sea lioning.[0][1] For
> every positive thread we're generating, we're producing at least two other
> toxic threads. And we're tolerating it. We have to stop.
>
> 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Coatrack
> 1. http://wondermark.com/1k62/
>
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