Heu To be fair it's a topic that isn't currently in our plate.
So to be honest, from a board level, I can't really give you an answer right now. As said before, there might be legal constraints we can't foresee. I made a not to work on that topic, but it might take some time as the current focus is on the strategy process. Have a very good day, Le 2 janv. 2017 9:46 AM, "Gnangarra" <[email protected]> a écrit : Like most in western countries you'll find most of the WMF staff are currently out of office so I wouldnt expect much back especially not officially from them until after the 9th January. On 2 January 2017 at 16:42, Jytdog at Wikipedia <[email protected]> wrote: > This is something that people can natter over endlessly. > > The question is to the WMF board and management. These are the people who > can authorize action or not. Anything else is just talk. > > Again - what discussions has the WMF had, at the corporate decision-making > level, about taking legal action against companies that advertise WP > editing services and that have no evidence of disclosure as required under > the ToU? > > Thanks. > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 11:04 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Good points, Gnangarra. I started to write out a reply before realizing > > that maybe I would give ideas to our adversaries, so I'll wait here for > > Legal to talk. Perhaps some of us can continue this conversation behind > > closed doors. > > > > Pine > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 7:59 PM, Gnangarra <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I think it would be nice for a more direct input from the WMF over > those > > > not following the Terms of use. > > > > > > I see some potential pitfalls, even in chasing companies that charge > for > > > content; > > > > > > - would this draw WMF into a legal editorial position > > > - would it drive them to further hide their activities > > > - what would damage would be done if a court says its ok for a > > > company/individual to control its image even on Wikipedia. we > already > > > deal > > > with the EUs right to vanish > > > > > > sometimes its better to not open the can. I think a lot more > discussion > > > over the implications and impact is needed unfortunately some of that > can > > > only be behind closed doors it going to need community trust(something > I > > > think isnt all there at the moment), before asking the WMF legal to > > pick a > > > fight with anyone. > > > > > > On 2 January 2017 at 08:52, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > (: I think that Legal could at least describe in general terms what > > they > > > > are currently doing and have plans to do in the near future. > > > > > > > > If it turns out that the answers are "we aren't doing much and we > > aren't > > > > planning to do more", then yes, asking the higher-ups to do something > > > about > > > > this sounds like a good idea. By the way, I think the timing for this > > > > discussion is good, because WMF should be in the early stages of > > > > formulating the 2017-2018 annual plan. > > > > > > > > Happy new year! > > > > > > > > Pine > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Jytdog at Wikipedia < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pine, thanks for your reply, but Legal will not do anything like > this > > > > > unless they are instructed by management. That is why I directed > my > > > > > question to the board and management. > > > > > > > > > > I've asked at Jimbo's talk page (bad timing, archived over the > > > holidays, > > > > > will repost) and at Katherine's WP talk page. > > > > > > > > > > Am very interested to hear from the board and/or WMF management on > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > Jytdog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:50:07 -0800 > > > > > > From: Pine W <[email protected]> > > > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]>, > > > > > > Wikimedia Legal <[email protected]> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies > > that > > > > > > offer paid editing services > > > > > > Message-ID: > > > > > > <CAF=dyJhC8UqxkOY9FG9diGyobdgbbQaK_ > > > > [email protected]. > > > > > > com> > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > > > > > > > > Forwarding to Legal. I'm aware of the general problem of > > undisclosed > > > > COI > > > > > > editing, and agree that there should be some enforcement of this, > > > > > > particularly given that WMF wants to use Wikipedia's NPOV and RS > > > > policies > > > > > > as part of WMF's marketing. I also wonder if WMF might be able to > > > > recover > > > > > > the costs of enforcement expenses somehow, perhaps by including a > > > > > statement > > > > > > in the TOS that says that people and their employers who engage > in > > > > > certain > > > > > > types of undisclosed COI editing must (1) reimburse WMF for > > attorney > > > > > fees, > > > > > > court fees, and other related costs of investigations and > > > enforcement, > > > > > and > > > > > > (2) forfeit all revenue from their related activities to WMF. My > > > guess > > > > is > > > > > > that significant financial penalties would be a bigger deterrent > > than > > > > > > name-and-shame and cease-and-desist letters. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pine > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 03:50:03 -0500 > > > > > > From: Jytdog at Wikipedia <[email protected]> > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that > > > offer > > > > > > paid editing services > > > > > > Message-ID: > > > > > > <CAAOzcj3cLaJOhvV6LvtqPTtULdj+ > 9Ccanmht7EJQVLv+Lqa=Ww@mail. > > > > > > gmail.com> > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > > > > > > > > I am interested to learn if WMF management or the board has > > discussed > > > > > > taking legal action against companies that offer services to edit > > > > > Wikipedia > > > > > > and that have no on-Wiki presence disclosing their edits (in > en-WP > > at > > > > > > least) per the Terms of Use. We all know the companies and their > > > > > websites, > > > > > > where they use the Wikipedia name, etc. I have looked and never > > > found > > > > > > disclosure by any of those companies in en-WP. I have looked and > > > found > > > > > no > > > > > > public evidence of WMF legal engaging with these companies, other > > > than > > > > > > Wiki-PR. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some en-Wiki editors recently identified a long-term paid editor > > and > > > > > > brought the matter to ANI: thread is here > > > > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia: > > > > > > Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=757170150# > > > > > > Earflaps_-_accusations_of_being_an_undisclosed_paid_ > > > > > > editor_and_a_sock_puppet>. > > > > > > This brought this whole thing to mind, and is something I have > been > > > > > wanting > > > > > > to ask about. > > > > > > > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > Has this been discussed, and if so, what has/have the outcomes > > been? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, is there budget for WMF legal to take action against such > > > > > companies? > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, would you all please consider that? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject= > unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > GN. > > > President Wikimedia Australia > > > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > > > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > -- GN. 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