Hi all,

This thread is diverging more and more away from its original subject.
Please open a new thread if you're interested in discussing items not
directly related to Quim's email re CoC. This can help the audience of this
list with discovery of relevant content and discussions later on.

Thanks,
Leila

On Mar 19, 2017 09:07, "Chris "Jethro" Schilling" <cschill...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:

> I think the calendar I mentioned above on Meta probably could be improved
> in some ways. If a lot of folks start using it, it will become quite long,
> for one. An archiving system for each month might be a good idea.
>
> What ways could there be to sort or segment the calendar that would be
> useful for volunteers to search and parse important discussions, surveys,
>  and consultations?
>
> - Chris
>
> On Mar 19, 2017 7:57 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > Please ..
> >
> > From my perspective we should not talk about secondary topics like this.
> We
> > should certainly not be this aggressive. I said it before and I say it
> > again. When you are interested in what we aim to achieve talk about WHAT
> we
> > can do to do better and let HOW we can do better from an organisational
> > point of view be only supportive of our objectives.
> > Thanks,
> >       GerardM
> >
> > On 19 March 2017 at 13:45, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > "Jethro"
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 8:15 PM, you wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, folks are free to ignore invitations to comment; there are
> > indeed a
> > > > lot of discussion notices for various matters, so I don't blame them
> if
> > > > they world rather volunteer their time in other places.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > But they cannot then also argue that they didn't know about it. If
> > people
> > > > want to know what's going on in our projects, it's their
> responsibility
> > > to
> > > > follow places where announcements are posted and read them.
> > > >
> > > > - Chris
> > > >
> > >
> > > Really?  As a Community Organiser within the Community Engagement part
> of
> > > the Foundation, do you not believe that the Foundation has some kind of
> > > responsibility too?  Perhaps the Foundation, with its tens of millions
> of
> > > dollars and hundereds of staff, and its ownership and control of the
> > means
> > > of communcation, might consider whether it can organise its engagement
> > with
> > > a disparate community on a more sophisticated basis than telling the
> > > volunteers that it's their responsbility to know how to engage
> > effectively
> > > with the Foundation?  Let me ask to to reread your comments from the
> > point
> > > of view of a volunteer whose work builds the projects and ask yourself
> > > whether the attitude embodied in your comment is not just ever so
> > slightly
> > > sub-optimal?  Are you completely satsifed that there is nothing at all
> > that
> > > the Foundation could or should do to improve the engagement it has with
> > the
> > > community?
> > >
> > > "Rogol"
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