This is not surprising, when the Foundation and all the external consultants advising it on this exercise are all US-based.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Leinonen Teemu <teemu.leino...@aalto.fi> wrote: > Hej, > > Gerard made some very important points. My observation (not an opinion :-) > is also that the initiatives in, and with a focus on, global south are > under served. They are more difficult to do, because of various reasons, > but this should not be a reason not to do them. It is also true that large > majority of research on Wikipedia/Wikimedia is about the en-Wikipedia. If > WMF could do something to promote research looking beyond it would be > great. > > -Teemu > > > Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> kirjoitti 24.6.2017 kello > 13.00: > > > > Hoi, > > The one serious flaw of the current practice is that English Wikipedia > > receives more attention than it deserves based on its merits[1]. This > bias > > can be found in any and all areas. There is for instance a huge > educational > > effort going on for English and there is no strategy known, developed, > > tried to use education to grow a Wikipedia from nothing to 100.000 > > articles.. the number considered to be necessary by some to have a viable > > Wikipedia. When you consider research it is English Wikipedia because > > otherwise it will not get published [2]. > > > > A less serious flaw is that the WMF is an indifferent custodian of > projects > > other than Wikipedia. When it provides no service to Wikipedia like > > Wikisource, its intrinsic value is not realised to the potential readers > > that are made available. There is no staff dedicated to these projects > and > > there is no research into its value. > > > > The angst for the community means that there is hardly any collaboration > > between the different Wikipedias. Mostly the "solutions" of English > > Wikipedia are imposed. There are a few well trodden paths that habitually > > get attention. When it comes to diversity, the gender gap is well served > > but the global south is not. A lot of weight is given to a data driven > > approach but there is hardly enough data relevant to the global south in > > English Wikipedia to make such an approach viable. > > > > Yes, I have tried to get some attention for these issues in the process > so > > far but <grin> as bringer of the bad news I am happy that it is the > message > > and not the messenger who is killed </grin>. > > > > Please tell me I am wrong and proof it by using more than opinions. > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > > > [1] less than 30% of the world populace and less than 50% of the WMF > > traffic. > > [2] comment by a professor whose university does a lot of studies on > > Wikipedia.. > > > >> On 24 June 2017 at 12:33, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Strainu <strain...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> 2017-06-23 23:48 GMT+03:00 Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com>: > >>>> Could you elaborate on the benefits of this timetable change for > people > >>> who > >>>> are not involved with affiliates? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Starting from this assumption, and considering the fact that even the > >>> most active wikimedians (not involved in a chapter) have real life > >>> commitments that do not allow them to follow this process carefully, > >>> it is obvious that the main responsibility of the team that > >>> coordinates the process should have been outreach. In my particular > >>> geographic area, Track B contributors were engaged with only 2 weeks > >>> prior to the end of the last cycle, which is hardly enough time to > >>> read, understand, and think about the vast quantity of material > >>> available in the strategy process. > >>> > >>> > >>> I am an active Wikimedia not involved in a Chapter. In Round 1, I was > >> pretty active, and in the Russian Wikivoyage we collected quite some > >> feedback and translated it into English. It was essentially ignored. > None > >> of us participated in Round 2 since we thought it is a waste of time. > Round > >> 2 was organized in the same way as Round 1 (many discussions opened i n > >> different places, meaning there is no possibility to really discuss > >> anything, merely to leave one's opinion). I have corresponding pages on > 3 > >> projects on my watchlists (with is 15 pages, and this is a lot), but I > have > >> not seen in these discussions anything new not said before in Round 1. > May > >> be smth useful would come out from other tracks, but I am not really > >> looking forward to Track B Round 3 either. I believe it is completely > >> failed, and individual contributors did not have a chance to form a > >> considated opinion. The message for me is essentially: If you want to be > >> heard, find a chapter or a thematic organization first. I hope the next > >> process will be organized differently in 10 years from now. > >> > >> Cheers > >> Yaroslav > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >> wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
