Hoi,
Now that we apparently all agree that this is a diversity issue. An issue
where the current practice is detrimental to our mission, what are we going
to do about it? Just accepting it means that we do not take our mission
seriously.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 June 2017 at 08:45, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is not surprising, when the Foundation and all the external
> consultants advising it on this exercise are all US-based.
>
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Leinonen Teemu <teemu.leino...@aalto.fi>
> wrote:
>
> > Hej,
> >
> > Gerard made some very important points. My observation (not an opinion
> :-)
> > is also that the initiatives in, and with a focus on, global south are
> > under served. They are more difficult to do, because of various reasons,
> > but this should not be a reason not to do them. It is also true that
> large
> > majority of research on Wikipedia/Wikimedia is about the en-Wikipedia. If
> > WMF could do something to promote research looking beyond it would be
> > great.
> >
> > -Teemu
> >
> > > Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> kirjoitti 24.6.2017 kello
> > 13.00:
> > >
> > > Hoi,
> > > The one serious flaw of the current practice is that English Wikipedia
> > > receives more attention than it deserves based on its merits[1]. This
> > bias
> > > can be found in any and all areas. There is for instance a huge
> > educational
> > > effort going on for English and there is no strategy known, developed,
> > > tried to use education to grow a Wikipedia from nothing to 100.000
> > > articles.. the number considered to be necessary by some to have a
> viable
> > > Wikipedia. When you consider research it is English Wikipedia because
> > > otherwise it will not get published [2].
> > >
> > > A less serious flaw is that the WMF is an indifferent custodian of
> > projects
> > > other than Wikipedia. When it provides no service to Wikipedia like
> > > Wikisource, its intrinsic value is not realised to the potential
> readers
> > > that are made available. There is no staff dedicated to these projects
> > and
> > > there is no research into its value.
> > >
> > > The angst for the community means that there is hardly any
> collaboration
> > > between the different Wikipedias. Mostly the "solutions" of English
> > > Wikipedia are imposed. There are a few well trodden paths that
> habitually
> > > get attention. When it comes to diversity, the gender gap is well
> served
> > > but the global south is not. A lot of weight is given to a data driven
> > > approach but there is hardly enough data relevant to the global south
> in
> > > English Wikipedia to make such an approach viable.
> > >
> > > Yes, I have tried to get some attention for these issues in the process
> > so
> > > far but <grin> as bringer of the bad news I am happy that it is the
> > message
> > > and not the messenger who is killed </grin>.
> > >
> > > Please tell me I am wrong and proof it by using more than opinions.
> > > Thanks,
> > > GerardM
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] less than 30% of the world populace and less than 50% of the WMF
> > > traffic.
> > > [2] comment by a professor whose university does a lot of studies on
> > > Wikipedia..
> > >
> > >> On 24 June 2017 at 12:33, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Strainu <strain...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> 2017-06-23 23:48 GMT+03:00 Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com>:
> > >>>> Could you elaborate on the benefits of this timetable change for
> > people
> > >>> who
> > >>>> are not involved with affiliates?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Starting from this assumption, and considering the fact that even the
> > >>> most active wikimedians (not involved in a chapter) have real life
> > >>> commitments that do not allow them to follow this process carefully,
> > >>> it is obvious that the main responsibility of the team that
> > >>> coordinates the process should have been outreach. In my particular
> > >>> geographic area, Track B contributors were engaged with only 2 weeks
> > >>> prior to the end of the last cycle, which is hardly enough time to
> > >>> read, understand, and think about the vast quantity of material
> > >>> available in the strategy process.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I am an active Wikimedia not involved in a Chapter. In Round 1, I was
> > >> pretty active, and in the Russian Wikivoyage we collected quite some
> > >> feedback and translated it into English. It was essentially ignored.
> > None
> > >> of us participated in Round 2 since we thought it is a waste of time.
> > Round
> > >> 2 was organized in the same way as Round 1 (many discussions opened i
> n
> > >> different places, meaning there is no possibility to really discuss
> > >> anything, merely to leave one's opinion). I have corresponding pages
> on
> > 3
> > >> projects on my watchlists (with is 15 pages, and this is a lot), but I
> > have
> > >> not seen in these discussions anything new not said before in Round 1.
> > May
> > >> be smth useful would come out from other tracks, but I am not really
> > >> looking forward to Track B Round 3 either. I believe it is completely
> > >> failed, and individual contributors did not have a chance to form a
> > >> considated opinion. The message for me is essentially: If you want to
> be
> > >> heard, find a chapter or a thematic organization first. I hope the
> next
> > >> process will be organized differently in 10 years from now.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >> Yaroslav
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