Forwarding on the worryingly sensible discussion of this "copyfraud" from the wikimediauk-l mailing list.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Deryck Chan <deryckc...@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Copyfraud by the British Museum To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org> I agree with Lucy's approach here. We should try to raise this issue directly and privately with the museum involved to let them know they've made a mistake with the copyright of the object and ask them to correct it. My feeling is that Tullie House is a small museum with limited staff, so they sloppily applied the "no photo because copyright" tag onto the stands of any borrowed exhibit and simply forgot that this object is >200 years old and therefore no longer copyrighted. Starting the message with "copyfraud" catches Wikimedians' attention, but isn't helpful towards achieving our outcome of actually getting things into open copyright or making sure public domain things don't get restricted. --Deryck On 28 July 2017 at 15:52, Richard Symonds <chasemew...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Trigger warning: sensible suggestions, I know those can be upsetting > > Might a friendly email to the museum have helped, just explaining the issue > and suggesting a solution? > > On 28 Jul 2017 14:32, "Fæ" <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the feedback. Just to be clear, this absolutely is a >> classic example of copyfraud. To say "I see no evidence of copyfraud >> by the BM" is precisely correct, however this is still copyfraud. It's >> an example that is very handy for Wikimedia Commons to use to >> illustrate its own policies with regard to deletions and allowed >> photographs where there are false claims of copyright being made. >> Certainly I would be extremely concerned if the Wikimedia Foundation >> were in any way funding events or projects in partnership with a GLAM >> institution that continues to propagate copyfraud, rather than taking >> positive action to stamp it out. >> >> We can see by simply looking at the photographs that copyfraud is >> being committed by the Tullie House Museum, as they give members of >> the public tickets for the exhibition, and are fully responsible for >> the exhibition itself. I agree it is not clear yet whether the British >> Museum have specifically required the Tullie House Museum to use this >> particular sign and text. That would be a great question to get >> answered. >> >> I find it highly unlikely that the THM have used a notice that was not >> agreed with the BM, in just the same way as the text of the related >> labels and posters would be agreed. Despite the same exhibition having >> many other artefacts from different museums across Europe and several >> objects on loan from personal collections, I could not see any other >> signs of this type against anything other than objects on loan from >> the BM. >> >> Thanks, >> Fae >> >> On 28 July 2017 at 14:14, Michael Maggs <mich...@maggs.name> wrote: >> > While the text on the labels is obviously wrong, I see no evidence of >> > copyfraud by the BM. >> > >> > The labels are most likely placed by the Tullie House Museum in a >> > (confused) >> > effort to comply with a contractual term of the loan, under which the >> > receiving museum must not allow photography. >> > >> > Such terms are pretty common where works are sent out on loan, sometimes to >> > protect delicate artworks from flash. Here of course there is no need for >> > such protection. >> > >> > A quiet word with >> > Tullie House Museum would seem the best way forward, first to see whether >> > they are indeed required by the BM to prohibit photography, and second to >> > explain that any such restriction has nothing to do with copyright and >> > should not be expressed as such. Enquiry and education, not shaming. >> > >> > Michael >> > >> > On 28 Jul 2017, at 13:11, Richard Nevell <richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk> >> > wrote: >> > >> > Attempting to embarrass the British Museum is misguided and certainly would >> > not build bridges for future collaboration. >> > >> > On 28 Jul 2017 13:03, "Fæ" <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> The Tullie House Museum in Carlisle has a number of objects on loan >> >> from the British Museum, and it appears that it is only those >> >> objects that have any restrictions on photography. I took photographs >> >> of two of these (without any flash), as the restrictions are >> >> shockingly obvious cases of copyfraud, and not for any reason that >> >> might protect the works from damage. It seems incomprehensible >> >> as to why the British Museum would ever want to make copyright claims >> >> over ~2,000 year old works especially considering they are not a >> >> money-making commercial enterprise, but a National institute and >> >> charity, with a stated objective that "the collection should be put >> >> to public use and be freely accessible". >> >> >> >> Does anyone have any ideas for action, or contacts in the Museum, that >> >> might result in a change of how loans from the BM are controlled? I'm >> >> wondering if the most effective way forward is to make some social >> >> media fuss, to ensure the Trustees of the museum pay attention. The >> >> reputational risk the apparent ignorance over copyright by the BM >> >> loans management team seems something that would be easy to correct, >> >> so changes to policy are overdue. My own experience of polite private >> >> letters to a Museum's lawyer demonstrates that you may as well save >> >> hours of volunteer time by filing these in the bin, compared to the >> >> sometimes highly effective use of a few pointed tweets written in a >> >> few minutes and shared publicly and widely across social media. >> >> >> >> Those of us Wikimedians who work closely with GLAMs tend to shy away >> >> from any controversy, wanting the organizations to move towards >> >> sharing our open knowledge goals for positive reasons. I'm happy to >> >> try those types of collegiate ways of partnering, however drawing a >> >> few lines in the sand by highlighting embarrassing case studies, might >> >> mean we make timely progress while activist dinosaurs like me are >> >> still alive to see it happen. >> >> >> >> Links >> >> 1. >> >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:British_Museum_2nd_century_bronze_jug,_with_copyfraud_notice.jpg >> >> 2. >> >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:British_Museum_Fortuna_statue,_with_copyfraud_notice.jpg >> >> 3. Tullie House, Roman Frontier exhibition: >> >> >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20161030151228/www.tulliehouse.co.uk/galleries-collections/galleries/roman-frontier-gallery >> >> 4. British Museum "about us": >> >> >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20170714042800/www.britishmuseum.org/about_us/management/about_us.aspx >> >> 5. Commons village pump discussion: >> >> >> >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#British_Museum_and_blatant_copyfraud >> >> >> >> Contacts >> >> * https://twitter.com/britishmuseum >> >> * https://twitter.com/TullieHouse >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Fae >> >> -- >> >> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia UK mailing list >> > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia UK mailing list >> > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk >> >> >> >> -- >> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>